Speaker 1: 0:12

So my guest this episode is Audrey Allen. She is an escort at the Bunny Ranch and I'm understanding that escort isn't the best word to use. What do you prefer to be called as?

Speaker 2: 0:25

A courtesan.

Speaker 1: 0:26

A courtesan, and is that a relatively new word that we're using, or is that just?

Speaker 2: 0:32

Well, it's an ancient word. A lot of ladies say sex worker, I don't mind prostitute, it is what it is but courtesan is the the politically correct thing these days.

Speaker 1: 0:45

What got you started in doing it?

Speaker 2: 0:47

you know well, I had seen the episode on hbo, the hbo cat house, and a friend of mine had done a paper on it and said how wonderful the Bunny Ranch was and Madame Suzette was so sweet and I just decided to come out and check it out. And I've been here for quite a while, you know, back in the day, and then I got divorced and I came back.

Speaker 1: 1:19

But did the divorce have a lot to do with your profession?

Speaker 2: 1:22

No, I've been. I've been out of the business for about 12 years, divorced about five. I just came back in the spring. So no, it didn't have anything to do with my business. Have anything to do with my business.

Speaker 1: 1:36

So now you're back in the business. Yes, you're single, are you able?

Speaker 2: 1:47

to have what many would consider a conventional relationship. Well, I have. While doing this in the past, I was married. My ex-husband didn't have a problem with it, but currently I'm not really looking for a relationship. This industry really satisfies my need for male companionship and sex as well, Although at the Bunny Ranch it isn't all about sex. I mean, I've had cuddle parties, all sorts of things. That's why I prefer the word courtesan, because it's so much more than just physical intimacy.

Speaker 1: 2:34

Whereas sex worker just makes it look like you open your legs and you do what you do, versus a courtesan, which can be an encompassing amount of things that you're doing Right. When it comes to dating, I'm just fascinated with the dating and intimacy when someone like myself who hasn't been to a brothel or anything like that, when I have sex, it usually has an emotional connection to it. As a courtesan, you're not having that. I mean, you have some connection and whatnot, but not like you would in a relationship. Are you able to kind of turn those on and off? Is sex different in a relationship for you than it is with you know, a customer? Or how does that work from like an emotional level?

Speaker 2: 3:11

Well, from an emotional level, I like to connect with people on the physical, the mental and the emotional. So I prefer to build a caring relationship with somebody. So in a sense, the gentleman I see is a relationship. I mean I've had gentlemen propose to me, give me rings and things like that, give me rings and things like that. So it's a lot more. But yeah, I mean I've had gentlemen make love to me before in this type of situation within the profession. So it can or cannot be the same, depending on the chemistry between two people and how long they've known each other. You know, I've known some clients for many, many years.

Speaker 1: 4:05

When someone comes in, I'm fascinated, because you're really restricted of what you can and can't do or say you can't discuss pricing or anything like that with the customer out in the open and it has to all be in the room. Do you find that for new people like I, have no clue what would be a respectable offer to make for something? I wouldn't want to insult you, but I also don't want to pay you five times the asking price because I don't know any better? Is the customer for the most part? Do they educate themselves? Is there a process that you have to kind of go through to explain what they're paying for and how they're paying for it? Or are they kind of educated enough where the offers are kind of in line? You just have to fine-tune things a little bit.

Speaker 2: 4:57

How does that all work? Well, I work with everybody. I will take a small party, I will take a large party. Uh, the longest I've ever spent with somebody was 10 days. Um, here at the bunny ranch, because we have vip bungalows out back. We always say to bring a credit card or a debit card. It just says Cash Advance, nevada. So it's very discreet, but generally most gentlemen come in with more than they would spend at, say, a strip club and you know Reno Lake, tahoe. This area is known for gambling. So most gentlemen come in with somewhat of a respectable offer, but I'd say 99% of them also come in with a credit card or a debit card.

Speaker 1: 5:50

Now we just had an election happen Do political parties I don't want to get deep into politics or politics, but do political parties help or hinder kind of the regulations that you see? I mean you've been here for a while now Do you see like a flux of regulations in your industry because of political changes, or is it pretty much regulations kind of stay the same?

Speaker 2: 6:17

Honestly, the regulations stay the same. I would say the majority of people within our area, including Virginia City, lake Tahoe, obviously Reno. They really support the bordellos because there's so many tax dollars given and there's so much community work. But I don't see a difference depending on the political party, simply because it's more of what the locals accept or I shouldn't say accept, but are okay with understand. And the Bunny Ranch does provide a lot of charity funds and tax dollars, of course. So the answer to your question is no.

Speaker 1: 7:10

So because Nevada is kind of its own little special thing with the brothels the community because you live there, the community kind of its own little special thing with the brothels the community because you live there, the community kind of embraces you versus someone that might be from Iowa and not used to those kind of things, sees you guys as kind of the weird outsiders. What has been the biggest change that you've seen in the years that you've been there? Does social media have an impact on how you do things?

Speaker 2: 7:37

Oh, absolutely the majority of our appointments and the majority of ladies are very active on social media, myself included. I'm on X at AudreyAllenBR and we have a message board at bunny ranchcom. And really, what the biggest difference I've noticed was when the late owner, dennis Hoff, may he rest in peace. There was a lot of celebrities and tourists who came here just because he had done so much publicity. I had done a lot of publicity with him, as well as other ladies, but nowadays it's not so many tourists or friends of Dennis' it's more gentlemen who come in who want appointments and who want the experience of actually engaging as opposed to just being here and seeing it.

Speaker 1: 8:41

What do you think, the mindset of the average person that comes in, is it the experience, is it the fantasy? What is their reasoning for coming in? Do they say?

Speaker 2: 8:55

Into the bordello. It's really. I have found it's completely stress-free, where, by it's legal, you don't have to worry about the lady taking your credit card, having her boyfriend run through the door trying to rob you, being set up by a police officer in a hotel room, but it takes all of the stress out of it. It's completely legal. We get STD checks and we get a sheriff's card, so the gentleman knows we don't have diseases and we aren't criminals and it's completely discreet. They don't have to worry about me stalking them in the future. So really I think it's more about just letting go and being able to fulfill whatever fantasy it is that you're looking for without having to worry about it.

Speaker 1: 9:58

From your end. Why this versus doing something more like porn Is there, I know the money is great and you love what you do, but at the same time you really have to be open-minded. Is that ever kind of a conflict, or would porn be easier? What separates your desire to do this versus doing porn?

Speaker 2: 10:21

well, first of all, we are not obligated to see anybody. When we're here, it's completely by choice. And for me it's about personality and chemistry. I have had crushes on gentlemen, I've seen, that's for sure. In terms of porn, I well, I'm shy. But also there isn't any protection in porn, obviously, the majority of it. There's no condoms, there's no. I mean, yes, people are tested, but in the porn industry, when you get higher up, there's always somebody who comes down with something once a year, and I just don't want to put myself in that position, in that position. And then also again, for me it's about chemistry. A porn star could be drop-dead gorgeous to me, but if there's no chemistry and our personalities don't click, then I really wouldn't want to be with them.

Speaker 1: 11:29

So, despite the stigmas that you see with you know the brothel industry, you actually view it as a much more safer option than doing porn.

Speaker 2: 11:39

Absolutely, and it's discreet. I mean, I haven't ever had sex on film, I haven't been naked on film and, unlike with escorting, where if you get caught it's on your criminal record, like I've sold cars, I've sold insurance and this has not come up because there's, I mean, somebody would really have to dig in order to find out whether or not I do this here. But again, I don't mind publicity. I've always been a publicity girl, so it doesn't bother me, but I'm a little too shy for porn it does surprise me.

Speaker 1: 12:19

When you're looking at like the bunny ranch website, you'd expect to see a bunch of nudity and a bunch of, and there really isn't. The girls for the most part are, you know, modest in their, their appearance and their photographs. Uh, some are a little bit more private because I'm sure they have personal lives and some might be married or whatnot. But it really does have a more intimacy feel than it does a porn feel like. You know, look at the tits on her, come, you know, visit her. It's more about the experience is. Has porn influenced? Because you know you look at porn, in the last few years it's really gotten rough and abusive. A lot of the stuff you see is just a lot more, I'd say, hardcore. Certain stuff is leaning more hardcore. Do you see porn as an influence in what some of the guys expect when they come in to visit?

Speaker 2: 13:14

Yeah, uh, no, because I personally am not a porn star.

Speaker 1: 13:19

We do have porn stars here and they offer the porn star experience um, I don't mean like the porn I I guess, like I, I like I just interviewed a porn star recently and you go to her social media and it's a guy just ramming his cock down her throat and, just, like you know, banging away at her throat and you're like, well, that's kind of hot but it also doesn't look fun. I guess my question is do you see a lot of people influenced by porn thinking this is how you treat a woman? So my argument is a lot of what you see in porn doesn't necessarily translate how you are with a significant other or in a relationship or with intimacy. Do the two kind of people get carried away, or how does that all work out?

Speaker 2: 14:10

I actually haven't seen an influence here, because if somebody gets too rough with you, obviously there's. You know we have security measures, so people don't really go that direction. And also since, I mean, madam Suzette likes to keep the place, you know, and the website very classy, that's why you don't see sex or a lot of nudity on the website. So it basically the people who the men who come here kind of, I would think expect to act more like gentlemen. So yeah, I haven't had anybody get rough with me, nor would I allow that.

Speaker 1: 15:02

And that all comes out in the dialogue that you have with the client before they go to the room and everything.

Speaker 2: 15:07

Well, usually I can tell you know. So if a gentleman, just by the way somebody carries themselves, you know, if they are really gruff it doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to be gruff with me. I think a lot of men really kind of pace their behavior based on who they're with, because I think it's up to the ladies to provide the boundaries. Of course men are going to push them, but as long as you have your boundaries you're pretty much fine. And it's just in a way that I carry myself. I mean, I can go out into line up in pasties, nothing wrong with that but I prefer to wear dresses and guard belts and stockings underneath my dresses.

Speaker 1: 16:05

It's interesting to hear that, because part of my frustration and looking at the page was you didn't see much, and I both appreciated that, but also was frustrated by that, because if my goal is to be intimate with someone, I kind of want to see what's underneath the hood, to see if that's you know what I want or whatnot. And so it's like going to a buffet but having cloths in front of the buffet, not knowing what you're going to get until you get there, and it's interesting to be able to look at the women and kind of choose. So the brothel idea fascinates me but also scares me. I think I would be too boring. Oh God, when they come in, you can't like we say you can't discuss prices and everything has to. The transaction has to take place in the room. Yes, but can I? Can I pay you up front and then say let's go to to los angeles for the weekend and have you do your services there, but pay you in vegas, or does it all have to stay in nevada?

Speaker 2: 17:15

everything has to stay in nevada Nevada legally, for security sake. A gentleman would come here first and do the transactions here, and then he can take me to Lake Tahoe, Reno, you know, as long as it stays in Nevada. And in terms of what you were saying earlier, oh, what I was going to say is that the website does say that you can. A gentleman can leave a deposit, or a couple can leave a deposit, and the deposit usually is a rough idea of what they're looking to spend. So in that sense, uh, there can be some kind of gauge, you know, between the gentleman and the lady you know through email of. Was this deposit acceptable for you, Was it not?

Speaker 2: 18:09

You know? And were you looking for 24 hours? Were you looking for an overnight? Were you just looking for an hour? You know, half an hour. What were you thinking? So we can discuss time over the internet and phone how an activity. However, going back to what you were saying earlier about not seeing a lot of flesh on the website and private parts, I mean, I believe that the pictures can give you a rough idea of what kind of lady it is.

Speaker 2: 18:42

Either she's like very petite or she's very curvaceous. But also I have found that the biggest sex organ there is is the brain, and I think imagination is fun. So it's kind of like opening up a present, like seeing what's underneath. You know, there is a little bit of exclusive exclusivity. Um, when, with gentlemen who see me naked, you know I don't want to be naked for the whole world to see. That's a special privilege for gentlemen that I party with.

Speaker 1: 19:23

True, yeah, I can see that. I mean some of it's just my own perception of you. Know, I'm getting ready to pay for this. I kind of want to know what I'm getting, but at the same time, I do like the whole undressing scene for the first time, the nudity I I guess. So I get that when, when someone comes in, like your job is to provide an experience, but you're also a woman, do you view the time that you're working as a job or are your needs getting met? Like what? What would be the ideal situation for you to enjoy? And don't say you know having their needs met, but you know what you know. If I had a blank check that said, okay, here, within reason, what would you enjoy doing for the next two hours? You know what would be something that? What are some of the things that you enjoy? Your customers asking you to do, I guess, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 20:24

Well, I actually enjoy two girl parties. I enjoy partying with my friends. I do enjoy giving back rubs. So in that sense I am a giver and a pleaser. But honestly, my needs are getting met. I like to have fun. You know, I'm not a sex doll. I'm a human being, Like you put it very, very well, I have needs too. So for the next two hours I would want to explore each other and get to know what they like, and I enjoy when they want to know what I like.

Speaker 1: 21:06

So my question was a good question. Very good question. At the end of the day, you know you've been working for your shift or I don't know what you call them but and you talked about your needs being met, are you well? First off, let's talk about this. Is there anything you don't do? You said you didn't do kind of the rough stuff. Is there anything that just isn't your cup of tea? That would be a deal breaker if that's what they wanted.

Speaker 2: 21:32

Well, I'm not submissive and I don't like it rough. I don't get into somebody trying to give me a spanking or any kind of like that kind of role play, like I don't do teacher, student or daddy role play or anything like that.

Speaker 1: 21:54

So, just because I think a lot of us have the assumption that money, money talks, it really doesn't. Your needs and your wants as a woman are equally as important to you as the dollar amount, is that you. You have your limits. You have your things that you're into and you're not into, and just because you're flashing a bunch of money doesn't mean that you're going to change that.

Speaker 2: 22:19

Correct, correct. If, um, you know, I, you know, just like there's honor among thieves, at the end of the day I have to sleep with myself and look at myself in the mirror and I'm not going to degrade myself just for a dollar. You know, I'd rather spend time personally with somebody who I'm going to enjoy for a little bit less, than somebody I'm just not going to enjoy at all. And if I'm not going to have fun, that means they're not going to have fun and it would just be a total waste of time, honestly. So I just if it doesn't match, then it's really not worth the money in my mind, and what I do is I just throw out like a ridiculous amount for an hour. You know, just like I'm sure, if a gentleman doesn't really care for me and is being polite, I'm sure he will offer me a very low amount, you know. So there's little ways to get around of. Well, I want to be polite, but you know it's not going to work the entertainment industry.

Speaker 1: 23:38

um, we're always hearing about like female newscasters cut their hair or they get a new tattoo or they get something that changes their appearance slightly. Do you see that in the industry, where changes in appearances have a positive or negative effect on the clientele that you're coming in, is it competitive as far as you maintaining a look that you enjoy that the others enjoy, or is that just not something you care about? You just live your life as you live your life.

Speaker 2: 24:10

I personally live my life as I live my life. I haven't had any plastic surgery ever. I don't have any tattoos. I don't have any piercings. When I'm not working, I don't have any tattoos. I don't have any piercings. When I'm not working, I don't wear makeup.

Speaker 2: 24:23

I'm from Boston, so that is kind of more of the norm, as opposed to California or Miami where you see a lot of plastic surgery and implants and you know BBLs nothing wrong with plastic surgery. I think it looks fantastic. It's just me. Personally, I've always had a farm, so my dog and my horse isn't gonna care what I look like and truthfully, I like to make more of a lot less shallow of a connection with people I see. So I think that whoever sees me and wants to spend time with me kind of gets the impression that it's not all about like appearance. You know, on either end, Like I said, if somebody has chemistry with me and the personality is amazing and they can make me laugh, I can. I mean, the gentleman doesn't need to look like Brad Pitt in order for me to be turned on.

Speaker 1: 25:29

No, I like that and the tattoos is kind of the reason I was talking about the nudity and stuff like that, cause I'm I found myself not a huge tattoo fan and so some of the women on there you'd see, like all kinds of tattoos and that's just not for me. So everyone has their own different tastes, I guess. But do you see the industry as a growing industry, as kind of one that's still made it ever since Dennis's past because he was a big advocate and big booster for it? How is the industry as far as new girls coming in and how does that? Does their dynamic, like the younger ones mesh with the older ones? How does that all? What is the relationships, I guess, like in the house or the brothel?

Speaker 2: 26:17

Well, we all get. I mean, on some level we all get along. We all have our days. I'm sure I'm sure I have my days, but I do a lot of training for the new ladies, so they usually make me what's called a big sister, so I kind of let them know the ropes and there's no catfights here. I think that was the difference back during the HBO days, was that there was a lot of personalities that had a lot shorter of a fuse. But now the ladies really, I mean, and even then they had to get along, but I think the ladies now we do get a lot along a lot more, just because there aren't cameras anymore, so that are looking for drama and I'm looking for something explosive that will boost ratings.

Speaker 2: 27:20

You know it's a lot more calm and sedate now. I don't think time has really affected the industry. You know it's one of the oldest professions, it's not going away. I think the industry that's probably been more affected. Is the porn industry probably been more affected? Is the porn industry probably more like with only fans, especially with the um a lot of the uh stunts that have been done lately on OnlyFans? So I think, like you had said, porn is just getting pushed a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more, whereas this industry, my boundaries, have always stayed the same. So it hasn't affected me or how I view the business.

Speaker 1: 28:14

Now you said during days that you're not working you're able to. You don't usually wear the makeup and you're able to go out. There is a huge right or wrong. There's a huge stigma over what you do in your profession and you're generally welcome in the community that you serve because you bring in the dollars and stuff. Does that ever take an impact or toll on you, just kind of mentally? Do you feel the kind of outside judgment for a lot of people? Or to hell with them? I mean, you're making your living, you're happy, you're doing what you enjoy and you're not hurting anyone, so screw them all.

Speaker 2: 28:54

Well, nobody's ever said anything derogatory to me and everybody in my personal life knows, my family knows, my friends know, just because I've done HBO, cap House and a lot of publicity in the past house and a lot of publicity in the past. So the people that are judgmental, I don't necessarily need them in my life, but you know, I think on some level we all do something that other people don't agree with. You know, somebody could be obnoxious at a cocktail party and people are going to judge them. Some people look down on housewives because you know they're not career orientated. I think we all have something that somebody could have a problem with, you know. So, uh, you know, ultimately it's my life and I have to do what's right for me and those I take care of, such as horses, dogs, chickens you know the way you've been talking about this.

Speaker 1: 30:05

it almost doesn't feel like you view what you do as a job no, like you view what you do as a job no, yours and you view it more as a passion or a labor of love well, people are my passion.

Speaker 2: 30:19

I view this truthfully. On my end, I view it as an adventure, also, like the motto here is uh, it's not just sex, it's's an adventure. But I've been fascinated with this industry even as a little kid. The first time I heard the word prostitute I was like, oh, what is that, you know? But no, I don't see it as a job, I see it as almost like a privilege, in the sense that I do something that doesn't ever get boring. I get my needs met, um beyond financially, and it's something that I've always been fascinated by.

Speaker 2: 31:05

And I'm fortunate enough to not have been born with a handicap to where I couldn't do this industry. You know there's a lot of ladies who can't do this industry. So, you know, even psychologically they can't. So in a sense I feel like it's almost like a well, it's definitely a privilege being at the Bunny Ranch, that's for sure, because they're very selective. But to me it's just, it's fun. I don't know what other word to use, but I'm very fortunate in being able to do something that I enjoy and that I consider uh, fun along those lines you mentioned that you kind of were like a big sister to the newer girls.

Speaker 1: 32:03

is there a heavy burnout rate for girls that come in thinking they can do it, that after a couple of sessions just say this isn't for me?

Speaker 2: 32:13

Well.

Speaker 1: 32:14

Oh sorry, or do you really have to be a different breed to even want to do this, that you don't have that burnout rate?

Speaker 2: 32:22

I think most ladies who come here understand what's involved, because we do have STD checks and we do have to get a sheriff's card. But I think with the ranch they prefer you to come initially for two weeks at a time, so you do get the feel of whether or not this is for you. In terms of the ladies who don't stay, I think it's more about missing their families. Or some of them are single mothers you know that need to be with their children. Or, uh, some of them are porn stars that prefer to film exclusively, and some of them are dancers who find out that it's okay, they just prefer to dance. So I don't see a huge burnout rate here, because the ladies who sign up and make the trip kind of I mean, they basically know what they're signing up for.

Speaker 1: 33:27

Sure. And finally, to someone that might be watching this or listening to this podcast, hearing you, seeing your personality, and says, wow, I would love to spend some time with her. Experienced a brothel before that wants to come and see you. Does he follow you on social media? What is the smoothest way to kind of get to know you and what does that courtship I mean? You don't want to be emailing back and forth for months and months to try to get this guy to come. But what kind of advice do you have to someone that's new, that wants to meet you but isn't sure yet? How do you? What's your sales pitch?

Speaker 2: 34:14

I guess well, my primary recommendation is to read the website. There's a lot of information on there. Please go read my bio and if you click on my picture on buddyranchcom, audrey allen, you'll see me and you'll see a gallery of my pictures. But, more importantly, you'll see, you'll be able to read my bio and that gives you a sense of what I'm about. And I prefer people to just email me at Audrey Allen, that's with an E at bunny ranchcom. That's with an E at bunny ranchcom. And we can, we'll exchange emails for a little bit, but, um, after a while I prefer to chat with somebody on the telephone. So, uh, once somebody has made a deposit, or even if they're not sure about it, I don't mind chatting with somebody on the telephone. Um, I'll give them my phone number and then that way we can get a better idea of how we'll get along.

Speaker 1: 35:17

That's great, and that's one of the reasons I'm doing this is to you know, the bio is great, the pictures are great, but it's just a snapshot and I really wanted people to hear the different personalities, different kind of ways that they talk. You can really tell someone about someone just by the way that they they communicate, versus a snapshot pose done by a professional. And so my goal is for each of the girls that I interview is to have at least one person one day come in and say I heard this podcast and I wanted to meet you because of it. So, audrey Allen, thank you for for taking the time out of your busy schedule and I look forward to hopefully seeing more of you just as I continue doing this. But I appreciate your time. I'll put all of your links and everything up on the site so that they can know where to contact you and check you out, but thank you for joining us today.

Speaker 2: 36:13

Thank you so much. I appreciate all that you do for us ladies, and it's been a pleasure.