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From Nervousness to Freedom: One Woman's Journey into the Swinging Lifestyle

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Ever wondered what it's really like to be a swinger? Meet Jugsiegirl, a straight-talking woman in her mid-50s who entered the swinging lifestyle at age 50 and hasn't looked back since. She pulls no punches in sharing her journey from Catholic guilt to confidently hosting house parties where multiple couples connect for pleasure without pressure.

What makes this conversation particularly valuable is her emphasis on the foundation required for successful swinging. "If you're having problems in your relationship, don't go into swinging—it will end bad," she cautions. The cornerstone of her approach? Radical communication, zero jealousy, and remembering that at the end of the night, you go home with your partner. Her philosophy is simple yet profound: "We're not here for a long time, so we're gonna have fun while we're here."

Whether you're curious about the lifestyle, considering taking the plunge, or simply interested in understanding different relationship models, jugsiegirls perspective offers valuable insights into how consensual non-monogamy can work when approached with maturity, honesty, and mutual respect. 

Connect with her on FetLife if you have questions—she welcomes respectful inquiries from couples looking to explore the swinging world.

Speaker 1:

This episode. I wanted to do something a little bit different. As fun as strippers and porn stars are, one of the things I really enjoy about this podcast is getting real women that are doing interesting things. Tonight's guest is a married woman in her mid-50s from New York and she's a swinger and she goes by the name of Juggsy Girl. Thanks for joining us today. Hi Tell us a little bit about yourself. When did you lose your virginity 18. And what was that like?

Speaker 2:

Just a high school boyfriend, just because?

Speaker 1:

It just happened.

Speaker 2:

It just happened, yep.

Speaker 1:

Was there anything memorable about it, or was it kind of one of those awkward things where you just kind of fell into it and kind of learned from there, those awkward things where you just kind of fell into it and kind of learned from there, yep, definitely awkward. And so when did you meet your husband?

Speaker 2:

12 years ago and what was the circumstances with that? We were both single and we just ended up meeting up.

Speaker 1:

Fell in love, and the rest is history. Sure, at what age did you start swinging then?

Speaker 2:

50.

Speaker 1:

So you've been doing that for a couple years now. Whose idea was it? Sure, at what age did?

Speaker 2:

you start swinging, then 50. So you've been doing that for a couple years now. Whose idea was it? Well, he had been a swinger prior to me.

Speaker 1:

And so he brought it up. What did you think about that when he mentioned it?

Speaker 2:

Well, at first I didn't know what to think of it, but as we talked it through, it works for us.

Speaker 1:

And how was that talking through? I mean, what did he? What kind of things?

Speaker 2:

He just come out and asked about it and I, you know, at first you just think, you stand back and just think about it. And then we just jumped in and now, seven years later, we do it as much as we possibly can.

Speaker 1:

And so, when you thought about it, what was going through your mind? Was the terminology something that was new to you when you brought it up? Was it something that you were aware of.

Speaker 2:

No, I'd seen it in my lifetime growing up.

Speaker 1:

And did you have preconceived notions, did you have a little bit of judgment about it, or was it something that you just knew about and accepted?

Speaker 2:

Well, you think about it because you think about how you were raised too. I mean, you're, if you're raised by a Catholic and you don't talk about things like that, so that's, it's hard to come out of that bubble that you've been kept in for so many years.

Speaker 1:

And so you're lining up the first time. What was the first time? Doing it Like the first time I was crazy nervous.

Speaker 2:

We went two hours from our home. It was a threesome with another male. If I could have had him pull over and drone up, I would have, because I was just a nervous wreck, but after I got there it all come naturally. It was all. It was good. It was very good.

Speaker 1:

You mentioned the nervousness. I mean you're a lovely, mature woman, great looking breasts, nice looking body from what your husband has shared, so there wasn't any nervous about the looks and the, the matching up. Where did the nervousness come from? Was it just because you were doing something that society told you was wrong, or what was the nerves coming from?

Speaker 2:

society and and in my mind I just couldn't wrap my head around it I asked a thousand and one questions, him being a swinger before me. Everybody should have that person that they can ask, I mean, and I would ask some off the wall questions, but he always had, you know, he could always answer it. When we meet new couples that have just come into the lifestyle and they're just getting their toes wet, I encourage them to ask questions that they have. I had someone. Any question that they have. I had someone. Any question that I had. I had him. I just would say you know off the wall, what about this and how do you approach this? And he had an answer for everything and it made me more comfortable.

Speaker 1:

Was there any doubt? I mean, like I said, you're a lovely woman, you're a mature woman. So your experience at that time it was just more of the moral implications. Even though your husband gave you full blessing and was supportive of it, you still felt the nerves were there. So you met this person. Had you talked much to them before you had connected?

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, we had talked text back and forth, forth, videoed a couple of times. Uh, he put me up to a little trick with with my husband one night and I had the the phone recording it and then I sent the recording. So I mean he was, he was the, I think, the best guy that we could have that I could have started with, because he was very, very, he was a gentleman, he was just very cordial, a nice, nice man.

Speaker 1:

Well, that's good. Now, one of the things I want to emphasize before going on is I've talked to your husband a little bit. Nice looking man, very polite, this isn't, I think. When people think of swingers, they think that the husband isn't doing enough or the husband isn't, there's things missing, so they're trying other people. This really isn't about any lack or deficiency from your husband. It's not like your husband's a loving, caring good in bed. This is just an exploration for you and him. Tell us a little bit about what it's like going from you know, your husband, to this other man. Was it? Was it looks to interest you? Was it just talking to you or was it just the exploration that that did it? How do you go about finding someone to connect with?

Speaker 2:

yes, it's definitely. I mean you have to, you have to know and trust that person. Well, not really know them, because the first time was I didn't meet him face-to-face until the first time that we went there, but to talk to him and just you know, you feel people out and you got to feel like you can go there and be safe there.

Speaker 1:

Now your husband. It was a threesome, so obviously your husband was there. Is that something that you're always doing now? Is that something that it's always a threesome? Do you swing on your own? How is the process not even doing it?

Speaker 2:

we are full-fledged, we, we, we like group play, we go to different functions, we do monthly parties here we have a really good group of friends that we play with regularly. So, yeah, you start out as a small little stepping stone and you just get bigger and bigger from there. I've been in a motel takeover where there was 29 people in our room, everybody playing.

Speaker 1:

And is that something that, like, what do you look for? At that point it's hard to kind of really screen people. Are you just looking for people that sexually interest you when you have a room full of, you know, 29 people? Is it just a free-for-all? You don't really care, or how does that?

Speaker 2:

filtering process work. Yeah, it's a big orgy. That's exactly what it is. And how do we screen people? We, we really don't we. We meet people on different sites and we invite them to our house and I can tell within the first 15 minutes if they're going to stay, if they're comfortable, or if they're going to leave. I'm a're comfortable or if they're going to leave. I'm a people person, so I can read them like a book.

Speaker 1:

Now you're also on FetLife, so that's one of the things and we'll link to your link on that. Is that your most comfortable way of finding people?

Speaker 2:

We use a couple of different sites FetLife, sls. Yeah, those are the two main ones that we go to, yeah those are the two main ones that we go to.

Speaker 1:

Now, someone that's new to doing this, what would you say is your incentive to doing it? I mean, is it just the enjoying of—I mean everyone's a little bit different, so I like sexuality of different people. Is it based on looks? Is it based on cock size? What are you looking for to get out of it? Is it just enjoyment of sex?

Speaker 2:

Exactly. I always say it's just fun, fucking, fucking fun.

Speaker 1:

And what would you say to people that you know you talked about the Christian life before. What would you say to people that say, well, why don't you just have more sex with your husband?

Speaker 2:

But it's more than that too. It's you're going, you're going outside your relationship to to have more fun. Not everybody is the same as your partner, that you, that you have sex with every night. You know how do I explain that? I guess it's just the variety is there.

Speaker 1:

Just the variety that you like. Yeah, what is it like when you're watching your husband with someone else? Is there a little bit of jealousy? How do you work through that?

Speaker 2:

It's hot. No, I love to stand there and watch him. I know what they're getting. I get it every night, so I love to watch him.

Speaker 1:

So you appreciate what he gives you and so, therefore, you enjoy watching. Other people find that enjoyment.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely.

Speaker 1:

It's like sharing your favorite movie with someone for the first time, that you're showing them the movie that you love and watching them love that movie. Only it's with your husband and his cock.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's a good analogy of it.

Speaker 1:

Yes, definitely with your husband and his cock. Yeah, that's a good analogy of it. Yes, definitely. So what is your like? Is there a bucket list then?

Speaker 2:

because I think, oh yeah, we we call it the bucket list, we put it on the the bucket list and and we we scratch things off, some things we have on there that we may never, ever experience. We hope we do, but it doesn't, you know, it doesn't make your break. Yet there's things on there that they're far-fetched, but hey, maybe someday we will like what would be some of the things, if you don't mind, I I come on um, I, I really don't.

Speaker 2:

I can't think of one right this minute, okay how about some, maybe?

Speaker 1:

how about some of the things that you've done, that you've crossed off the bucket list?

Speaker 2:

Oh, so we had a where we are colored people aren't around here, so we wanted to have, we wanted to swap with a colored couple and we finally got to do that, so that was one of them that was on the list. That's now gone did it open?

Speaker 1:

I mean, I would assume that the decision finally to start swinging really opens the floodgates of. I want to try this.

Speaker 2:

I want to try that I want to try this.

Speaker 1:

I want to absolutely is there anything that's kind of, I mean, like you have kids, so like if an 18 year old says I always had a thing that I want with a older woman, would that be something that you'd be enticed to? Or is there certain rules that you have within who you connect with that, like I have?

Speaker 2:

kids. We don't have any rules, I don't. We don't have any rules we.

Speaker 1:

we go with the flow and just enjoy it, have fun and have you been in an encounter without going into too much details but have you been in an encounter where you just weren't comfortable and how do you pull yourself out of that? Because I would assume some people's mindset would be well, you're a swinger and you fuck away, so you fuck anyone. Why aren't you interested in me? That might kind of create a rift. How do you politely turn someone away if they're not a fit? Or, like you said, you read people. What is that like to have someone where you're just not feeling it?

Speaker 2:

We've had people where the couple has come in and one will fit and the other one won't. You know, you know after you, you know you've sat down, we don't like, we don't have them come in and drop their drawers and then go fuck. No, we always have. If it's a new couple, we always talk and and socialize and get to know them and any questions you know, and then you go from there. You can, yeah, and people, people in the lifestyle, they understand if you, if you don't connect with them, we just, you know, we just gracefully say I'm sorry, we don't, we don't think that there's a connection with like, with you now, you two are a package deal, if you're talking to another couple and you feel it with one but not the other.

Speaker 1:

Does that then negate their package that you would pass on them, or do you find a way to connect with the?

Speaker 2:

one A lot of times. You don't always connect with the husband and the wife equally. We do have friends that we we play with. You know we swap all the time. But there there are couples where maybe he finds the, the girl, attractive, but I don't find anything attractive about him, or vice versa. We always have enough people, like at our parties, that we can go. We can venture other ways. So if you know, if he wanted to go fuck you know the wife, that's.

Speaker 1:

I'm fine with that I can always find something to do with it. Yeah, I can do something else so you two are at a point where it's usually not just one other couple that you're with, it's usually oh, absolutely no.

Speaker 2:

We. We have a great group of friends, and you know there's eight, ten of them here at a time and we, I can always find something to do if I'm not attracted to the husband or I. You know, they're just not anything there now.

Speaker 1:

Does this open the door, then, for like a having a friends with benefits where you exclusively see someone else on the side, or is it always a swinging partnership where you two are in it together, if you?

Speaker 2:

found, we do, uh, we do a hot wife. Um, so, like we have, we have one man that I will go see, or he'll come here. And then we do venture out a little bit. Yeah, it's, he's not. He's not around. That that's a. You know, that's hot to him, that I can message him in the middle of the day and say, oh, guess, guess what I'm doing, guess who's here. So he likes that.

Speaker 1:

Is it the sex? Is it the feeling wanted? What would you describe as like your biggest sensation or biggest emotion that comes out of being a swinger?

Speaker 2:

I just I have, I like it because it's fun and you have, you have certain ones that you can do this with, certain ones you can do that with.

Speaker 1:

And so let's say you meet a couple, you've gotten comfortable with them, is it? I mean, what is your like? Let's say you had five minutes, you connected with a couple. You have five minutes. Is it sex? Is it, you know, playing with this guy? What do you enjoy? What is your? Is it the whole range of emotions of the foreplay? What is your kind of enjoyment?

Speaker 2:

factor. I'm a suck it and fuck it kind of girl, so I don't want all that foo-foo stuff before. I could care less. I want to give you a nice blowjob, fuck me and go about your business. That's just me. I'm a wham-bam. Thank you, ma'am. And do you find?

Speaker 1:

the sexuality as far as is it rough sex? Is it gentle sex? What do you?

Speaker 2:

Oh, I like it. I like to be pounded and pounded hard, and I'm a size queen.

Speaker 1:

And so tell us a little bit about what that entails.

Speaker 2:

Size queen. Yeah, I want something that's bigger than what I have every night. So he's eight inches.

Speaker 1:

I want it eight inches or bigger and then is it multiple guys that you enjoy, or how does that, how does that entail?

Speaker 2:

multiple. I I've done multiple guys. I like a good gangbang.

Speaker 1:

Six, seven, eight guys, sure, and at the end of the day at the end of the day, is there connections that are made or is it just we're done, let's go home? How does that? How is the car ride home, and does that make you?

Speaker 2:

Oh, we talk about it. We talk about it all the way home. How much fun we had. You know just all the way home how much fun we had. You know just we. We tell each other everything, everything. There's nothing kept between us or kept secret between us.

Speaker 1:

We tell each other everything and are you worried about any stds? Is that something that you kind of is a risk that you're willing to accept? How does that?

Speaker 2:

you take the risk. Yeah, you take the risk. Hopefully not, but you do, you take the risk so I mean it's like smoking.

Speaker 1:

You know that there's a chance you get cancer with swinging, you accept that there are risks that could be involved, but you hope that you you are safe and everything like that. Would you say that it not necessarily helped your marriage, but made your marriage stronger or had no impact on your marriage?

Speaker 2:

yeah, no, it doesn't. We. We have a. We had a very, very strong relationship before he brought me into swinging very strong and how long do you think you'll?

Speaker 1:

I mean, you think you'll be doing it.

Speaker 2:

The rest of your life is this is this oh yeah, we plan on doing it, so we can't do it no more, absolutely so this isn't a phase that you see, that you've just been doing oh no, and we see people that have that go through the phase.

Speaker 2:

We went to a um, to a swingers club, oh, two, three years ago and it was all younger people. So I'm talking like and I'm not trying to stereotype, I'm talking under 25 and this is a huge, huge swingers club and all they wanted to do was drink, play, grab ass and dance not there for that this was a huge. And if there was five people in the downstairs playing, that was doing something. I could have stayed home and had more fun.

Speaker 1:

So you're direct to the business of just let's fuck.

Speaker 2:

Yep.

Speaker 1:

Do you think porn has had an influence, positive or negative, of how women are viewed or how women are treated, or negative of how women are viewed or how women are treated? Because even just fucking you, I would assume your husband wants you to be respected?

Speaker 1:

Oh, absolutely, there's right ways to treat your wife. You may love cock and everything like that, but there's still an undertone of how to treat you as a woman and as a person. Does porn kind of influence that? Have you seen porn? Because all the porn that you see I like amateur porn.

Speaker 2:

I'm not all about the whole hollywood porn.

Speaker 1:

I like amateur porn okay, and because I the reason I brought it up is a lot of the porn that we see is much more rough and and violent and kind of aggressive, versus kind of just sitting back and having fun having sex. You really don't see that much anymore, except for the amateur stuff, which yeah, amateur is the best. What kind of? Is there a sites that you like? What kind of porn do you enjoy?

Speaker 2:

I like private society because it's just big, big orgies.

Speaker 1:

So you like, basically what you're into.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1:

What has been the biggest surprise? Like if you were to talk to your 25 year old self about what her future would hold as far as you know, swinging and stuff like that. What's been the biggest surprise that you never thought you'd be doing?

Speaker 2:

My 25 year old self. I don't, I don, so I don't, I don't really have, I don't really have anything that's all right for that is there?

Speaker 1:

not every marriage is as strong as what you're conveying that yours is. Is there a right for a couple a young couple looking at getting into swinging is what's the important? I mean, mean you said like you had your husband to talk you through things, what are kind of the key things or the key steps to make sure that you're ready before you start swinging? That need to kind of be talked about or done to prepare you for the first time.

Speaker 2:

You have to communicate. You have to talk about everything first time. You have to. You have to communicate. You have to talk about everything. You have to be comfortable in yourself, especially if you're gonna, if you're gonna do like a full swap, when, when there's four of you, you got to be comfortable that your, your husband, or your your boyfriend or whatever that they're, they're to be fucking another girl.

Speaker 1:

So jealousy cannot be in the picture at all at all If there's even a tiny little bit of jealousy, then it's not for you and I think a lot of it is, like you had said earlier, the mindset I mean you had been married for so many years and even in conventional relationships before that it would have been odd 15 years ago for another man to comment about your breasts because that would have been unheard of, and now that you're swinging it's much more common.

Speaker 1:

So I think a lot of it's just a mindset of we're not used to some other guy talking about our girlfriend's body, mindset of we're not used to some other guy talking about our girlfriend's body. And here you are where men are talking about your breasts and they're seeing pictures of you or or talking to you on fet life and stuff like that. I think a lot of it's just an emotional maturity to realize what you're doing and what you're exposing yourself to. What would be the first thing that a couple should do? Should they go to a club first? Should they meet with a private? I mean, you met with a, a single person, uh, that created the threesome. Is that you think the best way to start off is with a?

Speaker 2:

small threesome and everybody that, every new couple that we talk to. I always tell them if you have one choice of how you're going to start this, go to a house party. House parties are the best because there's no pressure. You come in, there's no pressure, you can chit, chat, you can go. You know there's 10, 12 couples. You can talk to each one of them. If I could do it again, I would have just jumped in both feet right into a house party.

Speaker 1:

Even with the guy that you met was being very respectful and all that stuff, you still do the house party. Oh, he was great.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, he was great, but I feel that I would have been okay. First time at a house party and I tell people that Now at a house party.

Speaker 1:

is it okay? I believe it is, but is it okay for a couple to go there and just go you?

Speaker 2:

know what we're just gonna watch?

Speaker 1:

we're not sure, and it's not a judgment thing like well, they're not gonna participate.

Speaker 2:

We have that happen quite often. That's you know. That's the one thing nice about a house party. We don't pressure anyone. If you want to come in and just watch and and and just see what it's all about, hey, come on over. You know, we'll make you feel at home. I always tell all our guests when they come in come in, make yourself at home. Our house is your house.

Speaker 1:

Have fun now what is the reaction? Does any of your family know that this is a lifestyle that you partake in? Has there been judgment? Has there been family members that have stopped talking to you?

Speaker 2:

we, we keep it very. We keep it under our hat. But I have a sibling that is also a swinger. He knows I know he is, he knows I am.

Speaker 1:

We don't talk about it if you were to cross paths. I'm not saying you do anything, but would that be an okay environment if he was at a house party?

Speaker 2:

you were at a house party, you can stay, we had it happen where we were gonna both go to a house party and we we just backed out. I don't, I'm not comfortable. I don't want to see my brother at a house party.

Speaker 1:

No, so you've been doing this for a couple years now. Have you seen I mean I think only fans really changed a lot where women of all ages, maturities and older, were discovering their sexuality and it opened them up to be a little bit more open and free with their sexuality. Have you seen kind of a more normalization of swinging over the last few years? Are you seeing more couples engaging or is it still kind of a hidden, taboo thing going on?

Speaker 2:

I think it's all in the individual. I think there's I mean there's people out there that they don't, you know, it's not a big deal if people know that they are. It's not a big deal if people know that they are. It's not a big deal to us either. If someone was to ask us, I don't think we would deny it.

Speaker 1:

But we don't hang an upside-down pineapple on our fence post, Would you say the newcomers coming into it do? They tend to be younger, older, a mix of things. How?

Speaker 2:

does that seem? Well, I think that there's a lot of younger kids that think they want to be and they're just trying it out, but I'd say that it's normally between the ages of 40 and 70. That's the couples that we see.

Speaker 1:

Is that because there needs to be I mean, there has to be a severe maturity to a relationship that can handle this long term? I would assume that if your relationship had any kind of rocky foundation, or if it was a young relationship, it might not have survived as much as it has but.

Speaker 2:

But swinging is an effect. So if you're having a problem in your relationship, don't go into swinging it. It will end bad. You gotta both be comfortable. Be comfortable. You got to talk about it and if you have, you know if. If you have any problems in your relationship, if this isn't the place, has it?

Speaker 1:

has it impacted the rest of your relationship as far as change anything or impact? I would assume a lot of people new couples exploring this would have concerns of how it would impact the rest of the relationship. Are you able to compartmentalize it? Or this is just your, your hobbies and that's how you view it as, and everyday life is just everyday life?

Speaker 2:

well, we this is the way we look at it we're not here for a long time, so we're gonna have fun while we're here. I don't, it's not like it's not like the top of our list of things to do. We have other things that we are, we have interest in, but it it takes a good you know it. It takes a lot of time, it takes up quite a bit of your time, especially if you want to. You know, keep going and have new people and and expand your we, what we call our, our group.

Speaker 1:

So and it hasn't impacted as far as your own sexuality with each other has. It impacted that at all, because after having you know four or five gals and guys in a room that never changes.

Speaker 1:

We, we, we fucking suck every night just like, just like we're porn stars so just because you have a bunch of people one night and then it's just the two of you in bed the next night, doesn't feel and I always tell the new couples when they're coming into it just I said you, you throw all that stuff out the window.

Speaker 2:

All you have to remember is have fun and at the end of the night you're going home with him.

Speaker 1:

And what would you tell people? I mean, you're in your mid-50s, like I said, from the pictures I've seen you have a great body. But what would you say to someone that might be in their 50s that has some, you know, not everything's hanging the way it should be and whatnot that might be a little bit insecure about going into another room with a bunch of other couples? What do you feel is the kind of the judgment? How do you tell someone that?

Speaker 2:

I don't judge anyone we don't, neither of us do and you may have a woman that she may not be, you know, a runway model. Her personality speaks a lot too. It's not always looks. It's not always her figure. Her personality can speak to you too.

Speaker 1:

So what happens? You had mentioned before you want someone that's bigger than your husband. What happens if someone is feeling a little bit insecure down there? What advice would you give to them?

Speaker 2:

attaboy no, I'm sorry, um, and there's always. There's always another person that's going to want to play with them. Let's put it that way. May not be me, but there might be. We have, we have friends that the woman doesn't like a bigger tool. That's what I call it.

Speaker 1:

So maybe that's where you know, maybe she'll play with them so it's very welcoming and there's enough people in the house parties that everyone can can find something everybody could have fun. Yeah, absolutely is drinking a big factor in that? Do you try to avoid drinking just because of wrong decisions?

Speaker 2:

or how does that? I may have a social drink, but we, I don't. I don't drink till I get drunk. I, I want all. I want to remember everything the next day, everything. So I might have a social drink, one or two, two, but no one gets drunk.

Speaker 1:

It keeps from regrets later on that you don't want to do something that you might cross over and regret. So what would you tell a couple that's on the fence about swinging? They don't know if they want to do it. What advice would you give that couple?

Speaker 2:

Just be comfortable with each other. Talk about everything no jealousy. That couple just be comfortable with each other. Talk about everything, no jealousy. And just remember that you came with him and you're gonna leave with him. What happens between you know that time that you're here, that's have fun with it. Just have fun with it.

Speaker 1:

Talk about it after it's almost a shame that, because this is a big step for relationships I mean, if you're in a relationship for 20 years or whatnot, you've been told one thing and now you're going against something that many people view as taboo. It's almost too bad. There aren't like swinger advisors or like meant swinging mentors that a couple can they In different states.

Speaker 2:

There's mentors because we have a single lady that he plays with, that. She had a mentor when she was in the state of Florida.

Speaker 1:

Oh really.

Speaker 2:

So there are mentors out there. We try to be mentors too. We've been doing it long enough and we're comfortable enough. Ask us anything, we'll talk to you about it. And we've done doing it long enough and we're comfortable enough. Ask us anything, we'll talk to you about it.

Speaker 1:

And we've done it plenty of times and so I'm gonna I'm gonna include your, your fat life link to that. That's something that someone can do if they have questions.

Speaker 2:

I don't want to put you on the spot for that, but if someone is a young couple that has questions, I tell everybody all the time you, you know, we invite new couples that are brand new in the lifestyle and ask anything you want. If I can't answer it, I know someone who can. You know, we have enough connections. If him and I can't answer it, we'll find the answer.

Speaker 1:

Just be respectful with her because she is taking her time. If you're listening to this podcast and want to ask our questions, go ahead. But that's one of the reasons I did this is I wanted to take a look at sexuality from all aspects, from brothels to strippers, and kind of show them as real people. I think I had a woman that worked at a brothel whose dream is to open a laundromat, and that's just something you don't think about when you think of a brothel worker about when you think of a brothel worker, and so I wanted to paint a picture of sexuality of women, that you can be in your mid-50s and have a good sex life, that your marriage is healthy and and happy, but this is something that you're enjoying as a couple and it's making it stronger, and I really wanted to paint pictures of women that are doing these sexual things, but enjoying it and seeing the positive of it despite the taboo nature of it, and so step out of your comfort zone.

Speaker 2:

I did a nine-man bukkake. Not every woman wants to do that I did you. Step out of your comfort zone, I like.

Speaker 1:

Come on me and me around me, do it so great videos on out there of that, and that's always interesting. But is there anything else that you've? You kind of shied away in the beginning, uh, of what's on your bucket list? Is there anything that you've thought about that you can share now, or um bucket list, honey um well, like a young teen, like a virgin, have you done? Oh?

Speaker 2:

I do. I do have one on my bucket list. I want to do um uh all uh bbc uh train okay, well, you like the big black cock, so I do there you go, one of my favorites

Speaker 1:

bigger than eight inches. So so well, I appreciate your time. I appreciate you coming on and being open about this. Like I said, it's it's. I think it helps other people. Um, I really want people to kind of get a picture of different sexualities and see it as being a real person behind there. I think we look at porn and kind of forget that these people are deep down real people and I think we think about swinging and forget that they're, you know, happy marriages behind them and that it's important to to hear their story. So I appreciate you coming on and I'll post this and hopefully others can take away and and get some advice from it.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely. I hope so.