Speaker 1: 0:12

My guest this episode is Kiki Lover. She works at the Bunny Ranch east of Carson City, nevada, and usually when I introduce something I see what your job title is, but I found that you guys have many different job titles. What is your preference of what you want to be called?

Speaker 2: 0:29

Illegal Luxury Courtesan, slash OnlyFans Creator, slash YouTuber, all of the above, but I think courtesan I think it's a very cute word.

Speaker 1: 0:39

And how long have you been doing that for?

Speaker 2: 0:41

Well, it's been a minute. I started at Kit Kat in March 2018, and I'm here still 2024, about to be 25. So seven years.

Speaker 1: 0:54

Wow. Now you work at different brothels or different ranches. Are they all pretty much the same, or is there a different atmosphere or feel to each one?

Speaker 2: 1:02

Actually I kind of have stuck with the same company. So the Kit Kat, which has burned down now but it's going to get rebuilt Kit Kat, Sagebrush, Love Ranch and Bunny Ranch they're the same company and owned by the same person and I kind of pretty much worked for them my whole time. I started at Kit Kat, Then I worked at Sagebrush for years and now I'm at the Bunny, but Bunny Ranch is my favorite house by far. I really like the Bunny Ranch for its classy atmosphere. The house is beautiful. The outside of the house is pink and that's my favorite color. So I love the Bunny Ranch, my favorite house.

Speaker 1: 1:43

From what I looked on Google, it's not as isolated as some of the other ranches, is it?

Speaker 2: 1:48

So there's like 19 brothels all through Nevada, some closer to Vegas down there I have never been down there, but the Bunny Ranch company is like the closest one to Reno and then there's a bunch of like little ones in roller areas in the middle of nowhere basically. But yeah, there's, there's a bunch of them.

Speaker 1: 2:08

And what made you get started in the first place?

Speaker 2: 2:10

Made me get started. Good question, I was already kind of like sugar babying. And I was already kind of like sugar babying and I was like I enjoy what I do, very good at it. Let's make it a legit job. You know a career out of it. And I was like um might as well do it legally, pay my taxes, be part of the system, have my license that says it actually still says the P word, the offensive word, like prostitute. But yeah, I was like you know what, let me just go ahead and get my license and do it legitimately.

Speaker 1: 2:47

What was that transition going from, you know, being a girlfriend or whatever, or casually having sex, to now I'm doing it as a job.

Speaker 2: 2:56

I don't know. Like I just I wasn't really promiscuous before this job. Really I just I appreciate and I really really like the financial freedom that it offers me and I make a really good living. So I was like might as well try it out. I was waitressing before and going to college full time waitressing full time. It was horrible, my life was not very exciting. And then a friend of mine told me about you know, the legal sex work industry and how much money you make, how fun it is, and I was like you know what Something I could do, Let me try it out. So I tried it out. I signed up the first house. They called me within a couple actually they called me the same day, and then within a couple days I was already here and when I started doing it I liked it. It was, you know, fun, good money, great money, and the rest is history.

Speaker 1: 3:58

Now, what is it like? I mean, the closest thing I can compare it to is the restaurant industry, and the only reason I say that is you have, you know, guests coming in and you have, you know, five or six servers. Each have their own kind of section or station, and each server wants that next guest, and you know they try to rotate it. But at the same time the server's like give me, you know, I'll take the next guest, or whatever. Is it competitive? Is it, you know? Is it a lot of backstabbing? I mean, you're on a slow day. If one person comes in and there's eight of you sitting around, you don't make money unless they choose you, and so it's very cutthroat. How does that process work? When someone walks in off the streets and says I don't know what I'm doing, when do I start?

Speaker 2: 4:45

Yeah, I mean it's not really competition, but it's like a mall and everybody has their own little store within the mall. We're independent contractors and we all run our own business. We're independent contractors and we all run our own business. So in a way I guess you could say competition, but I don't really pay attention to that. So when the client comes in, he um, if he has an appointment, then he may request the lady that he has an appointment with, and to make an appointment you have to email the lady and, like set up a time with her and place a deposit. But but if you do not have an appointment with a certain lady, you come in. As soon as you come in, we have a door person that welcomes you in, gives you the brochure of you know the ladies that are available and then we do a lineup for you.

Speaker 2: 5:31

A lineup is when all the ladies do a line and all of them introduce themselves like Hi, I'm Kikiiki. And then he picks um, really dependent on looks who he's most attracted to and he, the tour is complimentary, it's called a tour. So you go chat with the lady. You may go to the bar, have a drink with her, chat a bit, go back to her room and if it doesn't work out with her, then you're more than welcome to take multiple tours with each lady, like all of them, if you want. And then like do the negotiation in her room. The negotiation part only happens in the room. Like talking about money only happens in the room. So if you do not come in agreement with that person, with that girl, then you can move on to the next girl and back. You know, you ever find that some guys are that girl. Then you can move on to the next girl, and that can you know.

Speaker 1: 6:18

Do you ever find that some guys that go there are just trying to get? I just want a 10 minute conversation with Kiki, and so I'm going to go here with no intention of actually doing anything, just kind of the thrill of it, or yeah?

Speaker 2: 6:30

So we do have a time limit. Each lady gets like a time limit to sit with him at the bar and a time limit on how long she can negotiate with him in the room. So it's timed that makes sense then you can like you.

Speaker 1: 6:42

If you don't book him, you can give the opportunity to another lady to try to close the deal, basically now let's say, like today might be a slow day, how much you can't say prices, but do you adjust your pricing based on you know, if there's a crowd outside the you know touring around, versus it's been a slow day, all day I just want something. Does that impact your pricing? Or you say here's what I'm worth, here's what I think my value is, regardless of how big or how slow it might be.

Speaker 2: 7:16

Exactly so. It's the second one. I'm never really desperate enough. Even if it's slow, I'll wait it out. Basically, I don't really go too low of a number. I do have a certain minimum. If you cannot meet that minimum, I have to excuse you and introduce you to one of my other girlfriends. But yeah, no I. Just because it's slow, that doesn't mean you can lower my price. No.

Speaker 1: 7:44

I mean this would be offensive, but you have your minimum. Are there other girls that might be a little bit lower that? Not that their value isn't there, but they, they don't mind getting those stragglers.

Speaker 2: 7:56

Yeah, like lowering the price when it's slow. I mean, like I said, we all independent contractors and we all run our own business. If another lady chooses to lower her rate when it's slow time during the winter, then that's up to her. It's none of my business and nobody else's business actually. It's just her. She can run it however she likes. If she wants to do that, that's up to her.

Speaker 1: 8:20

Now the pricing, the negotiation pricing. That's a legal thing. You can't do it outside of your room. How is the expectation when guys come in? Do they? Because, like I would have no clue and I wouldn't want to insult you, but at the same time I don't want to say I'll do this for this extraordinary amount of money. Are most guys realizing about how much you're? Because you can't talk about it is. The more hardcore thing is do the most of them come in with a realistic idea? That's respectful, or do most guys just have no clue? And there's an education process of here's why the value is this yeah, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2: 9:08

Actually I do get that a lot. I do get a lot of first timers who have absolutely no idea what the pricing are and um, so kind of. Just like you said, educate them, let them know what it is and what it is, what it isn't. I don't really have like a set price in my room. I do have a set price for, like saying, overnight, if you want to stay the night, if you want to go out on an out day, and out days when we go out together, have dinner, go to an event together, something like that I also there is a minimum for VIP rooms as well.

Speaker 2: 9:46

Those rooms are like nicer rooms and bigger beds. There's a hot tub in there, there's jet subs, there's an outdoors hot tub and then there's jet subs in the rooms. Those rooms do have a minimum, a four-figure range. But in my room I kind of like just tell you, well, first I'll let you tell me like what it is that you want to spend, what your budget is, and then from then I'll tell you like my prices and stuff, and if it doesn't, most of the time it works out. Most of the time they're like okay, let's, let's have fun. I'm like all right, perfect, let's do it, let's uh, let me show you a good time now you can't discuss the finances with the guy unless you're in the room.

Speaker 1: 10:30

Do you discuss it with the other girls? Oh, here's what I'm charging for this, here's what my expectations are for that. Do you guys compare, guys, compare of what you're doing?

Speaker 2: 10:39

No, absolutely not. I do not discuss my prices with other girls because, like you were saying, that just starts competition and just too much drama around that. I pretty much that's a very private thing between me and my clients. It's nobody else's business me and my clients.

Speaker 1: 10:59

It's nobody else's business. And what would you say?

Speaker 2: 11:01

the ratio that you get is new versus someone that has a little bit more experience or knowledge of a brothel honestly, lately I've been getting a lot of new guys who've never done this before and I'm like, okay, I love it, so then I can get to train you. I appreciate, and I really really like a first timer better, because I don't know, I don't know why, but I just prefer it being your first time, so then I can, you know, help you experience something new within you my expectations, basically. But I do get a lot of regulars who've been coming to the bunny ranch for a while now, for years and stuff, and those are fun too. You know, sharing is caring. He's like oh, I, you know, um, I had an experience with one of your co-workers. I'm like, hey, that's awesome, glad you had fun. Now it's my turn. We're just taking turns on you. You know, some guys like variety.

Speaker 1: 12:05

That's true.

Speaker 2: 12:06

They do say variety is flavor of life, or however they say it.

Speaker 1: 12:09

How is it? As far as I mean, my sexual background is the only time I've had sex is usually in a relationship, and so I've always sex is usually in a relationship and so I've always had an emotional attachment. You know, had I come to a brothel, this would be my first time not having that emotional attachment. Is there, guys, that you kind of have to like pause and say time out. You realize that this is, we're living out your fantasy, this is not reality, or most guys kind of realizing you know what they're doing well, you know, it's really honestly a very intimate service.

Speaker 2: 12:42

Feelings will get developed eventually, especially with my regulars that I have been seeing for years. Um, some sort of chemistry or attachment does get developed because we are humans at the end of the day and you know, being that open and intimate with someone does create some sort of feelings. But you know they they don't take it too far. It's not like we're gonna run away together and like go get married or something like that. Um, but yeah, so I try. I'm a very girlfriend experience kind of provider so I very much like to get very open, very emotional with my clients. I prefer it that way. My Girlfriend experience is like my favorite thing to offer. I like to get to know you, your hobbies, who you are as a person, what you believe in, all of that stuff. And it kind of does develop some sort of attachments, emotional, whatever you want to call it, emotional bond or whatever.

Speaker 1: 13:53

Has social media changed the last four or five years that you've been doing this? Has it changed how you interact with? Because now you can go on twitter and and and whatnot and see you and get to know you and and follow you that way, versus here's a brothel page. Here's a list of the girls. Come and check us out. Nowadays they're all over social media. Has that changed and helped in any way?

Speaker 2: 14:16

You see, the funny thing is about the whole social media thing, because we, as legal licensed courtesans, we're not allowed to advertise. Like independent girls. They can go on all those websites you know independent girls' websites and post an ad and that's. You know, that's's what they. They can't do that, but I mean they can't do that, but they do that, but us, to keep our license and not get in trouble with the laws and regulations, we're not allowed to advertise. So, um, another way for us to advertise is social media. So I pretty much utilize all the platforms. I'm on every little social media there is out there YouTube, twitter, tiktok, instagram, facebook. I'm like, I'm on it. So we use social media as a way to advertise without really advertising.

Speaker 1: 15:08

basically, so it's been more helpful and I'll include links. I'll include links to all of your social media. What has been the biggest, I guess, jo, other than the money? What gets you up in the morning and excited to do this?

Speaker 2: 15:27

Coffee no, I'm kidding, I don't even drink coffee. What wakes me up in the morning excited to do this Prima just said it the financial freedom. I also enjoy what I do. I have fun. It's never a boring day at Bunny Ranch. I'm always having fun, always meeting interesting people from all sorts of walks of life, always meeting people from all over the country, all over the world. Honestly, there's people that are traveling out here to Lake Tahoe and they're from I over the world. Honestly, like there's people that you know traveling out here to like Tahoe and they're from, like I don't know, china or something. And I'm like I meet all sorts of people. I like that. I like learning new things, learning new cultures, learning about people, and I enjoy doing that. So this job kind of gives me the opportunity to get intimate with all sorts of people.

Speaker 1: 16:19

You're a young woman. You don't have to work every day, so you have your own personal life outside of work. What are relationships? Or are you able to have what was viewed as a conventional, healthy relationship?

Speaker 2: 16:32

Well, for me personally, I don't date. I'm kind of like one of those escorts that believes like, while you do this job, dating is just like out of the picture. But that's just my personal beliefs. I know a lot of girls here who are married, have kids, all of this stuff, but for me personally, I just choose not to engage in any sort of like personal relationship while I do this. It's just easier that way. You know, really I'm done with this job, career, whatever you want to call it, and I got my own business.

Speaker 2: 17:08

I'm working towards starting, um, opening up a couple businesses. I would like a laundry mat, I would like a hair salon, blah, blah, blah. But laundry mat is like that's in in the plan now. So until I'm, like, retired from this job, then I will think about, um, you know, a personal relationship. I don't really believe in marriage either way. Like as a person, I don't think marriage should be a thing really, because it's just who told you to get married? True, you know, but no, I don't date, I don't have a boyfriend. I kind of dedicate my whole life to my job. Basically I work four days a week, but I'm always on call. I live nearby, like 30 minutes away, and if you have an appointment I come in. So yeah, while I'm in this industry, I choose not to date.

Speaker 1: 18:04

I get that opinion, I get that theory or that thought, but I also kind of find it sad that you don't have anyone on a deeper I mean, you have the girls and you have friends and stuff like that, but you don't have a, because not everything about relationship has to be sexual. There's that kind of connection of having someone that can just say how was your day today and have it deeply, mean it on a kind of an intellectual level. That I find kind of sad that you don't have that for yourself. But I get what you're saying and in that kind of industry it's it's hard to open yourself up to that okay.

Speaker 2: 18:39

so this is another reason why I don't believe you should date while escorting. I just I'm I'm a monogamous person, like totally monogamous, and if a person I'm dating, it's okay with sharing me with literally the rest of the world. You don't love me, I'm sorry, but you just you don't love me. I just don't believe that because I would never share my person, ever. So for you to share me with the rest of the world and be okay with it is like a red flag right there and be okay with it is like a red flag right there, wow.

Speaker 1: 19:13

I would have thought the opposite of if I met a guy that demanded he was the only guy I was with, didn't appreciate your life choices. It would be the opposite.

Speaker 2: 19:25

No, you should not be okay with it. Sorry, no, I'm very closed-minded when it comes to that. It's interesting.

Speaker 1: 19:31

Now you mentioned retirement. Do you see this as a long-term goal? Do you see this as a long-term goal or do you see this as a short-term, until you get that laundromat, up until you get the beauty salon? Is this a means to the quick end, because the money is good, that you're capitalizing now that you're young and so you can take it easy when you get older?

Speaker 2: 19:49

Exactly Like I know. There's a lot of girls in their 40s in this business, but me personally, I just don't see myself in my 40s still being a working girl. I just don't see it. So it is a plan to get to where I want. It's just a stepping stone to get to where I want, which is to own my own business. That's how I see myself retiring.

Speaker 1: 20:20

Not anytime soon by any means, but you know I still got years in me. Now is the brothel a growing thing or is it a dying thing? Because I look at OnlyFans now and you can have an OnlyFans page. You can, you know, have different kind of sex. You choose who you're having sex with. You're choosing your content, you're making your content, you're distributing your content. The rules that you have to follow is a lot less stringent and you're basically your own boss. Is that taking away from some of the brothel, or is it a whole different beast that you're dealing with?

Speaker 2: 20:52

Yeah, no, not at all. Sex will always sell. What do they say? There's no business? Like whole business, sorry, youtube or wherever you post this, but it's true, like sex will always sell, like it's not a dying thing, a business. Because like, okay, you have the only fans, you have the porn sites, all of them, them. But you can only see People as much as they enjoy just watching those girls on OnlyFans. I have an OnlyFans as well. They, you know, they also want to touch, they also want to see you in person. They also want to have that physical intimacy in person, not just watch you on the internet. But yeah, I have a lot of my clients that do subscribe to my fans, that subscribe to my only fans, and then they see my videos on there. They like what they see or whatever, and then they come see me at the bunny ranch. So it's kind of like a win-win situation. You get to see me on camera and then, boom, you can see me in person and experience my sessions in person as well.

Speaker 1: 21:59

And that's kind of what I'm hoping with this. This podcast is to kind of educate for those of us. I mean, I'm in Minnesota. I have no clue what happens. I've I've driven by a brothel, but that was empty and closed. But I've driven by one brothel in my life. Other than that, I have no real education. But part of my goal is to show that these are real women, that they have personalities, that they have, you know, hobbies and things that they enjoy. And if I can get one person to come in one day and says I saw you on this podcast, that would make my day.

Speaker 1: 22:34

What is it about? I mean, like I'm a big guy, I am not everyone's cup of tea and so I can't imagine walking to a brothel and going I can't wait to get that guy. How is it when you're dealing with different personalities, different body shapes, different? What do you look for in a person that allows you to kind of close off other things that most people would be judgmental? I mean, you're a beautiful woman. You could go out and get any guy that you wanted, no problem. But what makes it that you are receptive, other than than the money that makes it so that you can turn off those traits that so many other people would have when a big guy like me walks in and says I want to experience this okay, good question, really good question.

Speaker 2: 23:24

I do not discriminate on your color, your size, your size down there, I do not care. Like I work with all ethnicities as African-American guys, we're talking to them. They're like would you see black guys? Like, I don't care about that. All humans deserve love and I'm here to provide love to everybody. My last name is Lover of the Rose. So, no, I do not care what your um size at all, I can still ride it. No, I don't discriminate at all on your size. Um, I don't mind it at all. Like we can still make it work, definitely, I mean like physically we can still make it work and I obviously think everybody deserves loving If you're generous and nice to me, respectful to me. You're a girl.

Speaker 1: 24:19

And just to clarify when I said my size, I meant my body shape is a little bit bigger than up on top and everywhere else. So that's what I was meaning by my size. I wasn't implying anything else. No, no, no, I know, I wasn't implying anything else.

Speaker 1: 24:34

So one of the things I've been surprised about and some of it might be the lack of advertising that you're allowed to do is a lot of the girls that work in a brothel tend to be a little bit more as much as they are doing the sex. They tend to be a little bit more shy. They're not necessarily shy, but they're not as flamboyant. I mean your social media. Yeah, there's some nudity and stuff in there, and if that, if you check out your, your twitter page, you have to pretty much accept to view everything, but it's not flamboyant as you might find like a stripper might have. Is there kind of a I don't know if it's a wholeness or a purity in what you do that you're doing something very private, that this isn't about you showing off what's between your legs. It's about having an experience that's kind of more intimate, that you're not looking and saying, hey, look at me. You're saying, hey, let's enjoy this together. Is that what it is? Because there's some girls on the brothel pages that won't even show their face.

Speaker 2: 25:35

Yeah, I know those are like the married girls or private girls who have family and don't want to be all the way out there. Just in case you know, their families don't run into their pictures. But what you said sometimes it's at the madam of the owner of this place, like the madam she always says classy is better than trashy and that kind of stuck with me. But also, like, what are you talking about? Did you see my whole twitter?

Speaker 2: 26:01

I definitely post everything like well, there's that first video that I actually post, like you know, my whole body nudity, all of that, on there. That's why I'm shadow banned, which I hate. I hate twitter for that. They. They keep shadow banning me for nudity. But no like, yes, most of the girls prefer classy over trashy. They don't put everything out there. Leave some to the imagination so people will get enticed to come see you at the bunny ranch and get to see the whole package in person.

Speaker 1: 26:35

I very much like the first video that I come across when I go to your Twitter page Creatively done. I like that when it's just done a little bit different style and I wish there was more. I mean me personally as someone that doesn't know what they're doing. I wish there was a little bit more nudity, because when I'm looking at the girls, so many of them look the same and it's a lot of judgment of like I'm not much of a tattoo guy, so I like that. You didn't have money tattoos. You have some, but not Do you find that most guys that come to the ranch have very specific? There are some girls I look at and again, I'm not a big tattoo guy. I like those.

Speaker 2: 27:18

It's a letter, rose, and it actually says my name on it. It says Kiki.

Speaker 1: 27:22

And you have a couple others, but you're not fully covered, like some of the girls are. Do guys get a little bit too picky when it comes to the choices that are at the ranch, or do they have a basic kind of idea of what they want and that's what they do you?

Speaker 2: 27:38

know what I've noticed about tattoos. I got mine's, what, I got a rose here with my name on it and I got a butterfly on my back, um, but I've noticed a lot of the older men, like the 70 years old, 80, 90 years old, don't care for tattoos and that's kind of interesting. I guess it's just the way their age was like they were against tattoos and that mindset hasn't like left their brain yet. But yeah, older men, they, they don't really care much for tattoos. But no, there's all kinds of looks at the bunny ranch. There's shorter girls, taller girls, slimmer girls, thicker girls, uh, different ethnicities, like for myself, um, I'm the only middle eastern at the bunny ranch which I'm like, I'm special, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm totally joking. But yeah, there's all kinds of girls. The guys that come in here, they, they know their type and it's all the time a different girl is getting picked. So it's not um, I have all kinds of preference on which girl they want to be with thanks for lumping me in with the 60, 70 and 80 year olds.

Speaker 1: 28:48

That it's not that I don't like tattoos, I just think, just when you, I think the female body is a beautiful thing and nothing drives me more nuts when, like, a beautiful woman, regardless of breast size, puts like a tattoo right between her breasts and it's like I wanted to admire her breasts, and now you're creating artwork that you just kind of put over what I'm wanting to enjoy. And so it's not that I don't like tattoos.

Speaker 2: 29:14

I mean it's not your body, it's her body and she can do whatever she wants with it.

Speaker 1: 29:17

That is true, but I'm also looking for what arouses me, and so I like your tattoos and where yours are placed, because they're there but they're not kind of in your face and they're not overwhelming. But I'm just curious of how many people choose that so overwhelming. But I'm just curious of how many people choose that. So your only fans.

Speaker 2: 29:39

What got that started and what kind of content can someone expect to find on that? I have all kinds of stuff on there. I started it during 2020 when everything shut down. As you know, who didn't start of only fans during 20s down there? Everybody and their mother. So I um, you know, post um solo videos. I also collaborated with a couple. I wouldn't go as far as porn star, but he was, um, he was an only fans creator as well. So we have a. I have a little couple boy girl videos couple. A whole lot of other stuff on there and how much is your initial price?

Speaker 2: 30:15

$25.

Speaker 1: 30:16

How does that income compare to what you're doing? I mean, $25 sounds like a lot if you have so many subscribers versus you get you know how many guys a night versus 25. How does that, how does that balance work? Is it still?

Speaker 2: 30:30

the brothel is much more of a yeah, no, the only fence is not as profitable to me as the bunny wrench, like not no comparison whatsoever. The only fence that I have is basically for shipping money. Um, I just keep it open for literally shopping money. Each month, extra money to go shopping, go get my nails done, my pedicures, stuff like that, but it's not. Yeah, I haven't really paid it too too much attention. Um, I haven't taken it too serious, but no, it's not nothing crazy to how often are you putting content on there?

Speaker 2: 31:07

you know, sometimes I get lazy, you know, a couple times a month maybe.

Speaker 1: 31:14

And have you found that, like what is your biggest draw as far as getting people in? Is it social media? Is it someone that joined the OnlyFans that didn't want to meet you? Is it interviews like this that says I saw you on this or that, or is it just walking in? Where do you find the biggest draw for this kind of work?

Speaker 2: 31:36

so it's like all of the above. Um, my only fans has people that would like to see me more, more of me, before they come see me at the bunny wrench. There's guys on there who just like love watching contents. That's like what they like to do. Um, I get some from my social medias my reddit, my twitter, my instagrams. Some guys just find me on the bunny ranch website and then google me and then end up on my only fans. But the thing that I don't like is only fans is is content only.

Speaker 2: 32:09

If you talk about media in person whatsoever, your account gets banned. So, um, when I have guys trying to contact me about a booking on OnlyFans, I'm like, oh my god, like why are you doing that? Like you missed my email, you missed my phone number that's like literally all the way out there. Like I post my work phone number everywhere they skipped all of that and then just to come ask me for a booking on OnlyFans and I don't reply to those messages because I literally cannot reply to them. Like my account will get shut down. I've known well it's a lot of independent girls my girlfriends who are independent and have an OnlyFans, and guys come on there and like keep asking them for booking on only fans and their account gets shut down because only fans is extremely against like meeting up yeah, they're very strict.

Speaker 1: 32:59

So your typical day at the ranch, you're, you're. You're an employee I would assume to some extent well, you're an independent contractor, but you show up for your, your shift or whatever they're called. How many different people do you usually see on average during that shift?

Speaker 2: 33:17

Honestly, quality over quantity. I try not to overwork myself or see too many people. This winter hasn't been too busy, honestly. But average Every day is different, like someday I don't even book, but then I'll book the next day and it'll be like a $10,000 party or something like that. So I don't really have an average, maybe one, two, three.

Speaker 1: 33:50

That's not too bad. Now, is there there something? I mean, you're still a woman, you're still a woman, you still have needs and whatnot. Is there anything that you find more pleasurable than than something else? Is there, if you had your choice, regardless of how much you charge for it, that you can just say, if everyone today asked me for this, it was all charged the same regardless? This is what I would love to to do, but don't give me the, the, oh, the girlfriend experience. I mean, is there something that for you is sexual? You know, experience is it still enjoyable for you?

Speaker 2: 34:24

I guess is what I'm asking when I lay down on the bed and then you like have a stack of hundred dollar blue bills and then like throw them on me while I'm laid down on the bed. That's my favorite position. No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Uh, my favorite thing to do probably like 69. Yeah, I really like that. I really enjoy giving and I really enjoy receiving as well, so that's probably my favorite thing to do in the bedroom.

Speaker 1: 34:54

And let's say you had you know. Again, this comes down to your pricing and you can choose whatever you want to. Do you ever have like the regulars do they get a discount? That's not really advertised but if you have a nice time with an hour with this guy, he pays you respectfully, he had a good time. Is it something that, because you don't do relationships, is that kind of a relationship in its own that you're building with that regular to get him to come back? You might knock a little bit off, you might go a little bit longer. How does that? Is there that flexibility for you to appreciate the guys that appreciate you, not just financially but, you know, respectfully?

Speaker 2: 35:32

I mean, yeah, I wouldn't say no per se. There's a couple guys I told you I've been here like seven years now and there is a couple guys that literally have been with me since I first started, literally, so they have been grandfathered in the old rates and I, like the one I'm thinking of, like he literally comes and sees me like once a week, every week, religiously. Well, sometimes he misses a week here and there. But yeah, him, like we, I haven't changed the rate on him at all.

Speaker 2: 36:11

And we've been seeing each other for six years Is as close as you come to relationships, and then I mean in a way, it's as kids he's, we're not in.

Speaker 1: 36:17

No I didn't mean it as like a boyfriend girlfriend relationship, but you have a healthy connection that is respectful, is, you know, profitable, but also respectful and kind. How has porn?

Speaker 2: 36:30

looks so funny, like his wife actually knows of me and she's okay with it. They're like an older couple and she's no longer interested in, you know, being intimate.

Speaker 1: 36:39

And she literally knows of me and I'm like, oh, it's pretty sweet and she's okay with it I am seeing that more and more common these days the hot wife experience or the husband wanting to let her enjoy things that he might not be able to fully enjoy with her. I'm finding more and more husbands are enjoying showing off their wives and saying you know, look how hot and beautiful she is. Has porn impacted the job at all? Because nowadays we look at porn, and I mean I just had a porn star on the other day where the first thing that you see of hers is some guy just forcing his cock down her throat and he's just pumping away at her. She enjoys it, but I can't see how everyone would enjoy it. But yet a lot of what we as males see is from porn and we assume that that's how reality is. Is the porn influence prevalent in what you do and do you have to kind of say, hey, this is, you know, is or isn't for you?

Speaker 2: 37:44

Okay, so you know, but lately a request that I have been getting a lot and I'm like like, absolutely not, um, is anal. Um, I just don't see that. Why is everybody so obsessed with that lately? And I do think it's because of porn, because everybody's like booty this, booty that, and I'm like no, I don't offer that.

Speaker 2: 38:05

Like I don't like that and I have been getting a lot of requests for it lately and no, that's like, definitely not um something that all girls enjoy. Like I do offer pegging, though I have all kinds of sizes, shapes and sizes for you, because I also do um um toys toy reviews on on my youtube. Like I have a bunch of companies that send me their toys, you know, dildos, vibrators and all that and I review them on youtube, so I have a bunch of collection for pegging parties. That's something I really actually enjoy doing. So if you want to pegging party, I'm your girl, come on over. Yeah, so no, um, not much that I wouldn't try, at least once, but that's something I'm like yeah, no, I'm going to pass on anal.

Speaker 1: 38:57

I do think you're right. I think anal is much more popular in porn than asking real life, and I just think it's one of those things that became popular there. That then people just assume well, everyone likes it. If that's all I'm seeing, that then people just assume well, everyone likes it, if that's all I'm seeing, and is there. When you look at the other girls, how is that? I mean, like I, I'll be honest, I chose you or reached out to you and a couple others because you're the type of girl I would pick. Is there any kind of not jealousy? But how do you uh, you know, do you look at some of the girls like that are busty, like you're. You have a nice breast, but they're not huge compared to some others. Is there a lot of like? I want to change myself to look more like so and so, or are you perfectly fine in your own skin?

Speaker 2: 39:41

double in my own skin. I actually even thought about getting zenzan because, like most of the girls do have their, their breasts done, their boobies, um, but no, it's not something I'm interested in doing. Um, I like how I am. I don't like the fake feeling of them, um, but no, there's no jealousy with I mean there is jealousy in some some ways, a little tiny bit. And you know, put a bunch of girls together in a house. Of course some drama, some cattiness is going to happen, but it's nothing serious. It's just mind your business and stick to yourself, and here's what the rest of it. But no, I'm not really a jealous type of person. I'm extremely confident in my own skin and I don't get jealous really.

Speaker 1: 40:30

And they are beautiful breasts. If anyone goes and checks her out, they're very nice. I didn't mean anything by that, but I think some of them, like I, would want the more girlfriend experience if I was to go to a brothel, versus the porn star with the huge breast experience, although one time that might be fun some of them look really nice.

Speaker 2: 40:52

I'm like, oh, like I like looking at girls. I don't, I don't know about that, but some of them like, oh my god, like your movies are so beautiful now, do you entertain many women?

Speaker 2: 41:06

no, no, like couples that no, I don't do women, I don't do couples. So safety is number one priority for me. I want to stay as safe as possible. Um a penis, you can just put a condom on it and you're good to go. But a lady like, how are you gonna do all of that while being protected? We, we do have dental dams. It's like a plastic thing that you can put on her Before you give her oral, but then she can't feel nothing and it's like a really awkward conversation To have like Well, excuse me, lady, I'm going to just put a plastic wrap around you Before I lick you. It's too much work and too much awkwardness for me, me, so I just don't do females at all and for someone that's brand new, that's never done this before.

Speaker 1: 41:56

What's the biggest misconception or the biggest question that you get? That if you could let everyone know ahead of time, don't ask it or don't you know, think that or don't joke about that. What is the biggest kind of misnomer that people have when they go to something like the Bunny Ranch?

Speaker 2: 42:14

Okay, I do have the perfect answer for you because, I swear to God, this is why I stopped saying, when I go outside, interact with society and people ask you what do you do for work, I used to be like, yeah, I'm a sex worker at the Bunny Ranch, but lately I've just been saying, yeah, I'm a sex worker at the bunny range, but lately I've just been saying I'm a waitress or like, make something up, because I just don't want to have this conversation. I have things to do, like I'm in a hurry, uh, and people always ask the same question what's the worst thing that happened to you in there? Like, why do people always ask that? It's like such an awkward and weird question to me. Like, why would you automatically go to a negative space?

Speaker 2: 42:53

Because, like, a lot of people have a misconception of, like you know, guys coming in here and treating us horribly, being assholes, blah, blah, blah. And it's like the total, complete opposite. Is it because, like, all the guys that come here are extremely respectful? We do have some drunks here and there that like act the bestest, but they kick them out, like right away. You don't even, uh, get to stay long enough for you to cause any headache, you know, and all the girls have an emergency um a button in their room so anything were to happen like that's unsafe in the room, she's always has that option to press that button and help will be writing. But yeah, they're for me. Personally, I haven't really had any horrible experience and I've been here seven years. I've't really had any horrible experience and I've been here seven years, I've never actually had to press that button before Ever.

Speaker 1: 44:00

Oh wow, I mean not that I would ask that question, but that surprises me just because of how women are treated in porn. Usually it's rough and it's almost violence that we're seeing now in most porns versus the girlfriend experiences, which is what you're trying to convey.

Speaker 2: 44:17

Actually I'm on the dominant side. I also do BDSM and I'm only dominant, I don't play the submissive part at all. So I think it's just I guess my vibe or something. Think it's just I guess my vibe or something. I've had some guys be like assholes, like say the the wrong thing and I'm just like you can get out now. But it hasn't happened, like maybe a couple times where a guy was a little bit drunk, a lot of it drunk, and said something mean.

Speaker 1: 44:46

But I've never had anything scary happen wow, well, kiki, thank you so much for coming on. I hope you have a beautiful rest of your your night and I hope to hear about your your laundromat opening up soon and and see what the future has for you. Is there anything that you're working on now that you can talk about, or anything that you're in the process of doing?

Speaker 2: 45:07

can I shout out like my socials and stuff.

Speaker 1: 45:10

You can. I'll also include links to all your socials, but go ahead and shout them out here too.

Speaker 2: 45:14

Okay, perfect, thank you. So my name is Kiki Lover and if you Google the Kiki Lover, you can find my YouTube on Twitter and OnlyFans. My username is at KikiLoverKink and my email. If you have any other questions that you would like me to answer, you can email me KikiLover at BunnyWrenchcom.

Speaker 1: 45:40

Perfect. Thank you so much and be respectful when you write to her. She's a delight to talk to, but be respectful and if you do go to see her because of this podcast, let her know, because we both appreciate hearing that. That's what you got here there. But, Kiki, thank you so much and I look forward to following your career.

Speaker 2: 45:58

Thank you so much for having me. Bye for now.