Nosy Neighbor: 0:13

My guest today needs no introduction. She is a friend of the show. I would say Kiki Lover is back. Kiki, thanks for coming back on. Some things have changed. You're at a new ranch, alien Cat House, is that correct?

Kiki : 0:26

Yes, that is correct. Yeah, I changed locations since last time we spoke.

Nosy Neighbor: 0:33

And that's something that happens every now and then with the girls. They move around a little bit, so nothing new or extraordinary. So tell us a little bit of what's gone on since we last talked. How have you been personally?

Kiki : 0:46

I've been good. This summer has been very interesting. Lots of changes, lots of new changes to be excited about. I moved down south. New changes to be excited about. I moved down south. The Alien Cat House is closer to Vegas rather than the one I used to work at up north, near Carson City, reno, whatever. So it's an exciting new journey. I'm closer to Vegas, party city, sin city.

Nosy Neighbor: 1:19

So it's kind of exciting when you have a customer and like I mean, you're, you're with a bunch of new girls that you've just met, and a customer says you know, I want, I want a threesome with you and another girl. When you're negotiating prices, does that price get negotiated with you and then you go to another girl, or does the other girl get brought in and you both have to negotiate separately? How does that work?

Kiki : 1:42

So I don't really offer threesomes with girls. It's not my specialty. It has to be something like I would have to know the girl, get along with her, know her vibe. So no, not all the girls here offer threesomes, like, yes, I have done them before with other girls, but they're really not my specialty, they're not my. You know a party that I I was gonna say, enjoy doing, because I enjoy doing them when it's happening, but it's not my specialty. I don't like advertise threesomes. I'm a one-on-one type of girl. I like, you know a man and me I don't really offer threesomes. But if it were to happen and he's like you know that's my only fantasy, that I came here just to do that then yeah, of course, like he can pick the girl, of course I would have to get along with her and so it's not like awkward or uncomfortable during the session. But I, you know, talk to her, see what her rates are and try to match each other's rates a bit.

Nosy Neighbor: 2:49

I asked because I saw some of your pictures on Twitter with you and another girl posing and inviting, so I thought maybe that was something that you would open up to, one of the things that I do like about your page and maybe it's just me but you're posting a lot more nudity on social media. Is that something that I know? You've posted nudity before, but you seem either much more comfortable posting it or you've changed now that you're at the alien house. Was that something that was a conscious decision or just more comfortable doing?

Kiki : 3:23

no, actually I've always had, uh, an only fans. Yeah, the other house I don't like the word. It wasn't per se like don't post nudity, but I've always had anans. I just have been advertising it more lately.

Nosy Neighbor: 3:40

But even on Twitter you're doing it.

Kiki : 3:44

Advertising my OnlyFans, because I shop with some new content creators. So I was pretty much advertising my OnlyFans and it seems like if you're more conservative, shall we say, it doesn't get that many views. But I don't know. People are very interested in nakedness and nudity. So, yeah, I noticed my posts that are nude. They get way more traction than the ones that say I'm in a dress or a hoodie or something.

Nosy Neighbor: 4:20

I like it just because I think guys are much more visual, and so if I was to look for someone and go visit a courtesan in in Nevada, I would want to see everything, and so many of the girls don't show much and I totally get why they don't and I totally respect that and that's each girl's decision, but I want to see what I'm getting and so to be able to see that has been really helpful. One of the girls at the Alien Ranch is Sheena I think that's how you say her name, and one of the things that has always not concerned me because I haven't gone to a brothel, but one of the things that I would be concerned with with a brothel is I think porn has a great influence on how we view sex and I think the outsiders like myself. There is an expectation of if I come and visit you, I need to perform like a porn star, and that's not true at all. But one of the things that Sheena did is she actually posted a video of her having sex and it was very intimate and it was very gentle and soft and it was like wow, that's. That's that would be me if I went and visited a courtesan, and so I think that was very helpful.

Nosy Neighbor: 5:39

Seeing you naked more was like wow, that's. You know, I like the body, I like this, and so I think the more you can get comfortable doing that. So I like not just being a guy. Seeing you naked. That's beneficial too. But I think it helps when you can see everything going on, where some of the girls you're like I don't know, because guys are particular and we're kind of funny that way. So but you have the only fans. What can fans expect to see of you on only fans? What kind of content are you creating there?

Kiki : 6:13

yeah, I see what you mean, but no, there's no obligation like to perform like a porn star. Actually, as a matter of fact, I've had a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of versions of the past couple years. There's so many people who have come and chose me to be their first ever experience and of course they're not you know the um the best in bed. So, no, you do not have to perform like a porn star. That's not never even a thought. But the kind of content I post on my only fans is, uh, I do z ratings, one-on-one chats, video cam chat with you, chat like FaceTime. I post a little bit of solo content about myself, you know, enjoying myself, or some with other males, so I have a little bit of everything. I also post a little fetish here and there, like I have a video of a guy just like worshipping my feet. So I have a little bit of everything on there.

Nosy Neighbor: 7:19

Where are you finding the males? Are these fans? Are these friends? Where are you performing with?

Kiki : 7:25

So actually there are other content creators and, especially now that I'm closer to Vegas, there's a lot of porn stars that shoot in Vegas, so I'm going to be collaborating a lot with them. We all get tested with the same company, talent Testing, which is pretty cool. But yeah, I'm going to be shooting with a porn star actually at the end of this month, so I'm pretty excited about that and he's a pretty well-known name. It's a surprise.

Nosy Neighbor: 7:56

Now are you looking at getting into more porn, or is this more for your own content, creating for only fans?

Kiki : 8:03

no, I don't. I don't want to do like professional porn at all because they it's not my cup of tea, but my only fans does pretty well for me to just keep posting content on there. So no, I'm not signing up for a professional company.

Nosy Neighbor: 8:23

You're happy with being just a courtesan?

Kiki : 8:26

Yes, yes, absolutely, and being in charge of my own content is pretty nice. We already have the platform. Why do you need a like a foreign uh company agency isn't no?

Nosy Neighbor: 8:40

no, the closer you get to vegas I see a lot of advertisements for women that are offering dates that they travel around and they don't fly out. Say it's sexual but it it comes across as very sexual. Those are not legal. Do you see that as more of a growing hindrance for what you try to do the separation of the women out there trying to make money off of sex versus being a legal courtesan? Is that a growing problem or concern?

Kiki : 9:19

legal courtesan. Is that a growing problem or concern? Yes, it is definitely a competition because I chose to do it legally and get a license to work at a legal brothel. We are an hour and 15 minutes away from vegas and they are my competition in a way that like, why would guys drive all the way from vegas to here when they can have girls that are you know, available right there? But those are illegal, you risk. Most of them are not tested. That's another thing. So you risk getting arrested. You risk getting a disease. Where you can drive, you know, an hour a bit from Vegas and come to a legal establishment like Alien Cat House and have ladies here who are you know, you don't risk getting arrested and having that on your record or catching an STD or something like that from the girls. So it's like, how much risk are you willing to take? But yeah, the girls in Vegas does take away from my business at a legal brothel.

Nosy Neighbor: 10:18

Yeah, Now not to dig too deep into your personal life, but you made a point, I believe, last time, that you don't really date. You don't. You know it's hard for you to date as a courtesan. Has it changed at all?

Kiki : 10:34

I mean I date all day long. I just prefer dating with a little bit of sugar on top. I enjoy being a sugar baby, but like the traditional dating, no, it's not my cup of tea. It's not something I'm interested in doing anytime soon, but I love me a good, nice, sweet, generous sugar daddy.

Nosy Neighbor: 11:01

Now, I am not a sugar daddy, I'm not even a a splendid daddy, uh. But as someone that's gotten to know you personally, I do. I don't want to say worry about you, but I do wonder, you know, how do you, as a young woman, do you find ways to kind of escape what you're doing and find, like, how do you find you time? How do you find, how does kiki find time for you, know her, to feel wanted? I mean, you're still a young woman, you still have, you know, a lot of life ahead of you.

Nosy Neighbor: 11:32

You love what you do, but at the same time there needs to be time for Kiki to be Kiki. How do you find time to do that? How do you find time for yourself? And kind of, because so much of what you do is advertising yourself, you're posting online. I mean, it's just like a podcast where the minute you stop advertising, the minute you stop getting guests, and so I'm always trying to push, you know, getting people on and stuff like that how do you find time to be you in kind of a not a kind of a meditative way, but just in a defined peace and comfort with yourself?

Kiki : 12:11

Well, I find time for myself all the time. I definitely enjoy my me time, where I'm just, you know, relaxed and enjoying my own company. So here I'm only going to be working, like you know, a couple of weeks on, a couple of weeks off. So the weeks that I'm taking off are definitely just going to be about me, like you know know. Go home, enjoy your spa day, go on a walk, go to the lake, stuff like that, and also like traveling. That's another thing that I'm gonna have free time to do more of, because at the other place, where I used to work, I used to work four days a week and then three days off, so I was pretty much like full time on all the time.

Kiki : 12:57

By. Here, because I'm further away and I still live up north, I'm just gonna be coming here, visiting, doing my little tours of couple weeks here and there, and then going home and enjoying meantime like I'm actually. This is gonna work out for me better because I'm gonna have have more time for myself. That's another positive thing. So I'm actually planning a little vacation Once I finish my tour. I have another week and a half left here. Then I'm going to Miami for a whole week, just relax and sit on the beach for the whole week straight. So definitely I find time for myself Nice.

Nosy Neighbor: 13:38

I'm happy to hear that. One of the things I wanted to know is legal court is in. You are only authorized in the state of Nevada so you can go to Vegas and be a court. I mean you can. How does that work outside of the brothel, when you're out in? Let's say, you go to vegas for the day and you meet a guy and you know you hit it off. Can you be a courtesan there, or does it have to go through the ranch?

Kiki : 14:10

no, no, no, that's absolutely a no-no, because prostitution in Vegas is illegal, like point blank and simple, like you get arrested for it, and that's why they have a vice squad, which I think they should use the money to. You know, add more cops for actual, real crimes that happen in society. But no, they want to go after little girls. Anyways, that's another whole issue. But no, we're not allowed to advertise in vegas. We're not even allowed to advertise of it's advertised like for real.

Kiki : 14:46

You cannot work in vegas, you cannot pick up, you know, a customer or anything like that in vegas. You will definitely even lose your license. So, no, it's not something to play with. What. When they gave us, uh, our licenses to be legal, they put so many laws and rules for us to follow and you could not break any of them. So, yeah, I mean no, you could not bring the guy back here. He would have to come here on his own. You know terms. Then book you here. But you can't be like going to vegas and like bringing clients back to the alien cat house.

Nosy Neighbor: 15:25

No, you can't do that but now if I went to alien cat house and said I want to take you on a trip to vegas that you could do if you started at the cat house?

Kiki : 15:35

actually I haven't double checked on that because I haven't had a. I've only been here like two weeks now so I haven't like learned all the ropes and I haven't asked that question yet because the opportunity hasn't arised yet. But up north we were able to do outdates all throughout the state of nevada. Like we can do an outdate and go on a weekend with you to Vegas, but this house I have to double check on that I'll let you know next podcast but I don't know if we can do outdates to Vegas. I mean, if it's where legal in the whole state of Nevada and other brothels can go on outdates to Vegas, we might be able to as well. But every house has their own little rules. There are some rules here that are very different from up north. I have to double check on that.

Nosy Neighbor: 16:29

You have to learn the rules, the enjoyment that you have. You've always been a people pleaser. You've always been. What are some of your favorite things Like? What would what a guy looking, listening to the podcast, looking at you, seeing how beautiful you are, what is kind of the things that you enjoy, the guy wanting to do Like how can they please you?

Kiki : 16:55

I can show you better than I can tell you that I'm more of a girlfriend experience, like that's my um specialty. I like to very, very sensual. I like to spend longer time together, like I'm not the type of girl that's like you know. You just go in, bam bam, thank you. Thank you, ma'am, and you walk out. I like to make it like a whole experience for us to enjoy. I prefer longer dates than you know, an hour here and there. So if you come here and you spend the night with me, take me out to eat or do an activity together, spend the nights, spend a weekend with me. Those are my favorite kind of parties to do. Physically, there's a lot that I do like how to love on me, but that's more of an in-person thing. I would have to show you in person what I like physically.

Nosy Neighbor: 17:58

So now you're a younger woman, beautiful younger woman. I think there's a lot of fantasies for older guys and younger women. Does that ever get? I mean you enjoy what you do. So I mean you said before that you really don't see age or stuff like that. But does it ever get before that you really don't see age or stuff like that, but does it ever get frustrating that you don't get guys your age? Or is that not a thing that you focus on?

Kiki : 18:24

wait, who even told you I don't get guys my age? That's actually not true, because, like, I even get guys younger than me. So no, I get guys from all ages, it's just my favorite ones are older men because they I'm sorry, but they just know how to treat a lady better, they're more respectful, they're less of a headache to deal with than, say, a 21 years old. And that's just from my experience. Like, I'm not saying all 21 years olds are more complicated to deal with. That's not what I'm saying at all, because I have younger ones too, younger clients, but I just prefer older ones and they're more generous. That's another thing. How to get into my heart or whatever. The more generous you are with me, the more I like you, which sounds like a gold digger, but you know what? Proud gold digger? No, I'm kidding. But yeah, I like me some older men I've always have, I've always was dating older than me, much older than me. So it's, it's not I can see the fantasy.

Nosy Neighbor: 19:38

I'm much older than you, so I can see that being the fantasy. What is the biggest misconception of someone walking through Alien Cows that they have? That, if you wish, you could kind of make a quick little video or quick little tutorial of don't worry about this or this is what you need to expect, or what's like one little habit that you wish you could change about the people coming through the door to better having a better experience for them and for you there's so many misconceptions that I would like to change people's mind on.

Kiki : 20:16

But, like the, the main one is how stigmatized and degraded this industry is, which that's a whole other subject. But the main one is, like guys who think you're being forced into doing this or you're doing this because you don't have no other options, or stuff like that, and that's not the truth. Like if I wanted to go get a regular job, I can easily do so. But I choose to do this job because it's something I'm passionate about and something that I feel comfortable doing. It gives me a very great income.

Kiki : 20:59

So a lot of us most all of us here, not most of us, like all of us here chose to do this, this job within. You know our own choice. We all adults, we all want to. We all somewhat enjoy sex and, uh, enjoy making it a business. So, yeah, I've had guys come in and be like, oh, do you really want to do this? And I'm like if I didn't want to do this, I wouldn't be here, hello. But yeah, that's a misconception that's surrounded around this business. I can see that to some extent, even by someone that's surrounded around this business.

Nosy Neighbor: 21:37

I can see that to some extent, even by someone that's visiting. You know, I'm an old, bigger guy and the idea of, you know, having an intimate moment with you, I can see myself saying, you know, is this really what she wants? Because you know if she could have a hot other guy that is way better looking than me, and so I can see there is. I don't know if it's self-doubt, but self-doubt on the person. Not just is this really what you want to do, but that's. I think one of the things that I'm trying to do with this podcast is trying to shed light where we're not focused on you know, talking about your breasts and posting and all that stuff. We're focusing on getting to know you and, like I said before, I can have one person come in and say I heard you on the podcast and I loved your personality and I wanted to come in and see you. I think that would make my day knowing that they got to know you, versus you know your beautiful tits and ass and all that stuff. So I think it's a combination of things, but that's one of the things that I'm trying to do with this podcast is not just talk to courtesan workers, but also talk to strippers and porn stars and kind of get to get to know them as people rather than just objects, but also enjoying, you know what they do, but kind of changing the stigma or at least getting a better understanding of what drives them. And so it's been interesting.

Nosy Neighbor: 23:02

You've been at the brothel for a couple of weeks now, has it been? I mean you said there's different roles and stuff like that. How have the girls been as far as receptive to another new girl coming in? I mean, you're you're not a new girl as far as being a courtesan, but you're new to the house well, actually a couple of them I already knew, uh, from up north.

Kiki : 23:27

I wasn't the only one who changed houses, so two of them I already knew from up north. They're very nice, nice. The girls here are nicer. It's more of a smaller house. That's the thing. Up north, I worked at a big house where they had a whole lot of girls working at all times, a lot of in and outs as well, but here it's way less girls. Everybody is peaceful. So far from what I've seen, and they've been nice to me, like everybody has been very sweet to me since I moved in and you know, teaching me the rules of their house and chatting and socializing with me. I actually kind of like it. Not kind of, but I like it. I like the vibe in here. It's pretty chill, which is exactly what I need.

Nosy Neighbor: 24:18

I'm happy for you. So a guy shows up at the ranch, picks you, he, you go over, you go to the room, you negotiate the prices and stuff like that. How, how detailed is the pricing when it comes to? Is it? You know you'll give a blowjob for this amount of time? You have to wear the condom to do that, and then he's allowed. I mean how X, y's and Z's go into it.

Kiki : 24:52

Oh yeah, oh yeah. Every little detail has to be discussed in negotiation, because you don't want a guy to come in here and say, oh, I just want this or that or this amount of time, and then during the session he's like oh, I want this service that usually costs extra, like an add-on, like a BDSM fetish kind of thing. So every little detail has to be discussed during negotiation, like specifically uh, not like what position do you want to do, not that deep, but like all the services that you are interested in and to make sure that I provide, because there's some things that I don't do. Like say amore, can I say it on here?

Nosy Neighbor: 25:39

oh yeah like anal.

Kiki : 25:41

I don't do anal and I don't want the guy to be like in the middle of the session and ask him for that, so of course all details have to be discussed during negotiation.

Nosy Neighbor: 25:50

It gets pretty deep like, let's say, the guy just wants to snuggle with you, play with your breasts a little bit. Is that something that you're like, okay, you're allowed 10 minutes playing with our breasts, or is it just play until you say stop?

Kiki : 26:11

Okay, so the price you pay goes by what service you're interested in. And of course, we discuss time as well. So some guys, I don't really like the whole 10-15 minutes kind of parties. Um, I only like to book like an hour at least. So, um, yeah, we discussed that on during the negotiation as well, like how much time would you like to spend with me? And price goes on that.

Nosy Neighbor: 26:40

And I didn't mean like a 10-minute session, I just meant like if you're spending an hour with you, is it 10 minutes to be focused on doing this? You can have 15 minutes to do that. Is it broken down like that? Do that? Is it broken down like that? Or is there kind of a, a natural path that you kind of with the, with what?

Kiki : 27:02

they choose. There's kind of a natural path that you take. No, no, it's. It's not very like robotic like that, of course not. It's more we go with the flow. Whatever we want to do, we're definitely gonna get your, you know, do the services that you are interested in. But no, it doesn't have to be robotic like that. Like the only thing we I do have mandatory before we spend any time together is like my little shower, which I don't really count as towards your time. Um, so we can have like a five minute shower together and from then on we can just go with the flow. Whatever floats the boat Right?

Nosy Neighbor: 27:39

Now a lot of your clients. Before, when we talked, you had your regulars that you had, that would come in and stuff like that. Now, with the change, how did that affect things? Are they willing to travel? Did you lose some clients? How was that transition?

Kiki : 27:56

Honestly, that's a really good question. That's something I have to think about, which is really, really, really annoying. Yeah, the ones that I hope all my clients follow me wherever I go, because they always do. They always follow me. They always follow me around like little doggies. No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding the ones that are from out-of-towners, like my clients, that come see me from other states, like those I know for sure are going to follow me with, like whichever house I go. But the locals, those ones I'm not so sure that are gonna be following me all the way down here. So that's another thing that's me all the way down here. So that's another thing that's really annoying me. But it is what it is, because I am like five hours and a half drive from the location I was at before. So I know, like the local regulars I don't know if all of them gonna drive all the way that far just to come sit out, see a little, but you never know, you never know now is being a courtesan, a small enough group?

Nosy Neighbor: 29:01

I mean, you said you knew a few of the girls before. Is that a tight-knit community, even though if you haven't met all of them, are you aware of other ones? Is it? Is this, I mean, is it a small enough group where you kind of feel protective of each other, or is it very cutthroat and you know, yeah, you get along with the girls, but you're also here to make money and there's only so many choices that you want to be one of the choices?

Kiki : 29:30

oh yeah, no, we're. We're definitely very small community. I'm like geez too small for me. No, everybody, there's not that many brothels to begin with, it's a very, very small number. So we kind of all know each other and you know how girls are. We love to gossip, don't we? That's another thing I don't like, but yeah, we're very much. Everybody knows each other's business. Then I would say, yeah, it's protective of each other, a competitive, yeah, it is a competitive industry.

Nosy Neighbor: 30:09

Now before I mean, you were about five hours away from Vegas. Now you're much closer Does the ups and downs of Vegas I mean, I've heard reports that Vegas is struggling to get back to where they were with numbers of tourists and stuff like that Does that play an influence in the guests that you see? Is there a lull time? Is this a slow time to be a courtesan? Is there? You know, it doesn't never change because the people are always looking for sex. How does that that? How does the economy and stuff impact? How you do?

Kiki : 30:48

it definitely impacts it, but I haven't really been here long enough to notice much. But all I see on social media is yeah, vegas has went a little bit down in tourist numbers. Hopefully that doesn't affect me, but I am close enough to Vegas for the party people and people that want to spend time with a legal Las Vegas escort instead of going to an illegal one down there. They can come up here and see me and I'm always ready and willing.

Nosy Neighbor: 31:26

You need your own podcast.

Kiki : 31:29

I actually been thinking about it on my YouTube channel, but there I can't really talk that like there's so many rules and if you talk too much about brothel, they shut down your channel. See, that's what I'm saying stigma and discrimination. Because Alice Little, she had a huge YouTube channel. Her channel got shut down. Autumn Verlo, her channel got shut down. Ellie, her channel got shut down. Autumn Verlo, her channel got shut down. Ellie, her channel got shut down. So that's why I'm trying to be like not too much in your face on YouTube, where I do a lot of videos, because then it will get shut down so it doesn't make sense. But I want to find like a platform where I can talk freely about this industry. So if you have any suggestions, let me know.

Nosy Neighbor: 32:15

Well, you're welcome on here anytime. One of the things I always found odd with, like Twitter, even they put a lot of blocks or warnings on your post and it's like, caution, this next post could be like suggested material. And it's you in a sweater with no cleavage outside in a public place. And it's like a sweater with no cleavage outside in a public place. And it's like, well, why was this? And it's just because you have the courtesan, you know, bio, that they just assume that this is going to be dirty pictures. And it's like, well, why are you giving me warnings for the stuff that isn't like warning, weren't you know if you're going to censor this stuff? I mean, you already have a censor to look at your page and then they censor to look at the individual posts, but a lot of your posts are clean and totally fine and yet there's still this kind of stigma of because you're looking at her page.

Kiki : 33:14

These platforms are really, really horrible with sex workers. They're very much discriminating against us. Actually, twitter is the only one that lets you post without taking down your stuff all the time. Other ones like TikTok and YouTube they don't have no wiggle room at all. And YouTube, they don't have no wiggle room at all. As soon as you start talking about the sex industry or adult industry in general, they very quick to shut you down and ban your account.

Nosy Neighbor: 33:45

It's really annoying actually. Is it discrimination or is it more overprotection, because so many kids use these kind of apps? Or is it a mixture of both?

Kiki : 33:55

Yeah, but most of the social medias you have to be 18 18 years old or over. So like that should be enough. And it's not like we're both generals talking about our industry. Like you can't just shove us to the corner because you can't keep your kid off the internet. That's their parents job to keep their kids off the internet and see what their children are looking at on whatever platform it's. You don't have to to push us to the side just because you don't want your child to see. Something like this is our job, this is our career, this is our livelihood, as a matter of fact, and we have every right to advertise ourselves, just as any other business, like a dentist, a dentist's office on social media. They can post their job all day long, but as soon as a sex worker does it, then no, you have to go. Like it doesn't make sense. I don't like it and that's why I'm like I need another platform to post podcasts, because I can. I can talk, I can definitely talk.

Nosy Neighbor: 35:03

I guess that's one of the things that I'm trying to do is not just focus on your naughty parts and all that stuff, but also kind of get to know these women, whether they're in the porn industry or I've had swingers that have come on, or just I just had a mom that you know was divorced after 20 some years that got back into dating and how much of a sexualized world of dating is, and just looking at sexuality from a female perspective and kind of getting understanding of the mindsets and whatnot, and kind of getting understanding of the mindsets and whatnot. Where do you think and do you think change needs to happen as far as lowering that stigma? Is it podcasts like this? Is it education, or do you think there always will be a stigma associated to sex work?

Kiki : 35:52

Honestly, like morally. I feel like that's always gonna be there, especially with religious people who think that sex is just a thing that's supposed to happen between a husband and a wife and everything that happens besides. That is immoral and disgusting, whatever. Whatever that's their morals and I respect it, but they shouldn't force that down our throat. For people, for individuals who are very much sexually open, and it's not as much of a a forbidding thing to them, because for me, I feel like sex is a beautiful, enjoyable thing that humans should do. Why not enjoy each other's bodies? Um, I don't believe that you should have a husband and only do it with your husband. Like I don't even think humans should only have one partner. Like you can have as many partners that you'd like. If it were up to me, I feel like what would make this industry less stigmatized is if we just decriminalize it, legalize it and let people do what they want to do and I stand on that. Like, if you want to work as an escort, you should be legally allowed to do that, even independent.

Nosy Neighbor: 37:21

I can go to a bar and hook up with a woman and invite her back to my place and have sex with her. Not for money, but it's because we're two consenting adults and so the brothel work is also a consenting adult choosing to do this. There's no, nothing forced forced. You didn't trick the guy into to doing this and then forcing him to pay. It's two consenting adults basically making a business agreement. You know this. For that, in exchange for for money. If you were courtesan queen of the day and you can make any changes, what, what are a couple of changes that you would make to the industry to better suit your needs?

Kiki : 38:06

Oh, that's easy. Allow them to work independent. I don't feel like a brothel should be your only option at all. That should not be the only option at all, like that should not be the only option at all. I feel like a lot of girls don't feel like working in a brothel for one way or another, like staying in a place for a long time, because most of the girls do tours and come from other states to nevada just to be legal and have to stay weeks at a time in the same establishment, like Coupe. Basically, that's one thing that needs to change. But you do that for work. You come here and you stay. Most of the girls throughout Nevada, wherever they come from other states, you have to stay minimum two weeks in the establishment. That's mandatory. Have to stay minimum two weeks in the establishment. That's mandatory. So, yeah, I feel like and also splitting your money and this and this and that. Um, I feel this industry should just be legalized all the way and girls should be able to work independent.

Nosy Neighbor: 39:13

And is there an argument, though, that the brothel adds some level of security or kind of protection for the girls to have, like a safe refuge? Or if it was independent, you'd have to hire, I'm sure, some kind of security to go with you, wouldn't you?

Kiki : 39:33

Yeah, I worked independent for many years in New York before joining the brothel industry to make my money legal and make myself a legal escort, and that's exactly what I did. It's not hard to hire a security guard to come with you or have your back if something were to go wrong, and if you do screening and make sure that the guy is okay, that's not that huge of a problem. Yes, a lot of bad things happen to girls who are independent, but that's because we are so stigmatized that we can't go to the police and file a report because then you will get arrested for um working in an illegal job. So if it's legal, girls will not be scared to go to the cops sure now only fans has been very popular among young women.

Nosy Neighbor: 40:31

I saw a report that thousands of 18 to 24-year-olds have OnlyFans and these younger women are creating OnlyFans. Are you seeing kind of an OnlyFans generation? Try to become courtesans? Are you seeing more younger women kind of curious about that lifestyle and what is it like for a younger woman? What's the kind of success and it like for a younger woman? What's the kind of success and failure rate for a younger woman? Are they kind of in over their head or how does that work out for younger, new women coming in?

Kiki : 41:05

this industry is for, mostly for younger 20 years olds. That's, of course, there's ladies in the 30s, 40s, 50s, fifties, even sixties in the industry, but most of the ladies are in their twenties, early twenties, late twenties. It is a younger generation girls, younger ladies in the street. That's a fact. Um well, not all the time, but for most of the time. But I don't think that people should glamorize it to the point that everybody wants to be. And it's not all glamour and rainbows and butterflies. You know there's some hard days. There is. Uh, you do have to have a tougher skin. So and not take things personally. For an instance, like if a dude rejected you, like you, he came in, sat at the bar and there's a bunch of girls there to wanting his attention. If he rejects you, you have to not take it personally.

Nosy Neighbor: 42:09

So, yeah, definitely I feel like you should be more mature before entering this business I can see that I mean guys, guys are very picky and just even looking at guests myself, I'm like, oh, if I was ever to go visit a courtesan, kiki would be someone that I want to see or this or that. And I think guys are very, very particular and picky and so it's the more that you can learn about that course. And is that some of the bit, that guys need to do their research before coming? Or do you find that a lot of guys just show up hoping to find a match that they like, or is there research being done by these guys?

Kiki : 42:52

I personally prefer appointments. Those are my favorite kind of bookings because we get to know each other a bit before you show up. So I suggest for guys to do do do their research, like go on the website, see which ladies are available, email the one you're attracted to, see if you have some sort of like a little chemistry with her and get to know her personality a bit and see if it's the match for you. But most my favorite bookings do come from appointments. Yes, I do hit up lineup as well. You know the lineup is where the guy comes in and all the ladies line up for him and introduce themselves to him. I do that as well, but my main focus is on appointments from my email, my phone number and my social medias. That's where people mostly find me.

Nosy Neighbor: 43:48

Does it ever get frustrating because all of your pictures that you post on social media are beautiful, the nudes are gorgeous. Does it ever get frustrating that everything you have to post has to be almost perfect? It has to be, you know, very set. You can't just post a day where you're like, oh it's a rough Saturday, here, I am eating toast, because that doesn't get responses. Does it ever get frustrating or tiresome that everything has to kind of be perfectly sexy? Or is it just part of the job?

Kiki : 44:24

No, I don't mind them, I actually like it. I like pretty pictures. I like posting prettier pictures. Why would I post when I just woke up and my hair is like up here, all a mess, no makeup, like I wouldn't want to post that. Even if it wasn't my job, I wouldn't post that on social media. Social media is only when I'm like you know, presentable.

Nosy Neighbor: 44:47

Oh, I'm sure you look presentable all the time.

Kiki : 44:51

Oh yeah, you should have a sleepover with me in the morning, when my hair is standing up and messy. You'd be like is this a person? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nosy Neighbor: 45:02

I'm sure guys would not mind at all if they woke up next to you in the morning. Okay, they woke up next to you in the morning. Okay, what's one thing that you wish guys would ask more of about you, as they're kind of screening you?

Kiki : 45:18

or getting to know you. I don't know. There's not a particular question that you need to ask me, but just get to know my personality. Yeah, that's probably it. Get to know my personality. There isn't one particular question. That will sum all of it up. But you know, a couple days, couple weeks of chatting I do tend to book like weeks ahead, so we have a couple weeks to chat about everything nice.

Nosy Neighbor: 45:55

Now back to your only fans, and I'll put a link to your only fans you're. You said you signed up with a company. Uh, you're doing professional shoots with. You have a porn star coming up but you're not looking at necessarily getting into porn. Are these videos or things that you're content creating? Are these things that you're directing or arranging, or is this company that you signed up with? How is this balance of not doing porn yet doing porn stars? How does this balance work?

Kiki : 46:30

Well, actually, no, I didn't sign up with a company, so we're all content creators on twitter and we just meet each other on there. Um, but yeah, no, it's not a professional company.

Nosy Neighbor: 46:43

Oh, I thought you said you signed up with the group no, no, no, that's not what I said.

Kiki : 46:48

I said I would. I wouldn't sign up for like a porn comp agency. No, but yeah, no, I'm not looking to get into porn actually. No, no, no, hold on no I think.

Nosy Neighbor: 47:02

I mean, do you well, do you think it's? Do you think it's that much of a leap to? I feel like I said I saw Sheena's and that really that really got me closer because I got to see her having sex in a way that wasn't my expectation of what it would be like to have to perform in a brothel. So to see examples, it was almost kind of soothing for me to see that, I mean, it was just a regular guy. I'm sure he was a professional, everything was done very professionally, but it wasn't what you would see in a regular porn.

Nosy Neighbor: 47:57

And so I think to see them in action I mean, it's one thing to talk about a baseball player and talk about stats of the game and stuff like that, but to see them in action you get a much better idea of how baseball is played and to see what you're into, your reactions, and so there is kind of a curiosity effect that that I can imagine myself doing that, because so much of like, if you go to a porn star's twitter feed and you see a video clip of her, it's her getting pounded while she's upside down and backwards, you know, by a guy that's, you know, hanging from this and that, and you're like God. Is that you know? Is that what going to see her is like, and so for me to see Sheena was very.

Kiki : 48:47

That you wouldn't do.

Nosy Neighbor: 48:48

see, sheena was very that you went to so to see sheena. It was very kind of like wow, that was actually nice to watch, and so I think it diffused some of the mindset or stigmas or concerns that I had about what would be like to go visit a courtesan. And so I'm surprised, in talking to you, how much of a jump it is for porn. I mean, you're almost like baffled, like that's something I should do, but yet isn't it kind of an evolution or extension of of what you're doing and to have it in your own only? You're at least allowed to control that content and how you're depicted. You don't have to be diminished or whatnot. I see it as a natural progression. I think there's a right porn and a wrong porn for various women. I don't think that you should be.

Kiki : 49:47

I was going to say because the aggressive stuff I don't think DP, double penetration. I was gonna say because the aggressive stuff I don't think like DP, double penetration and all this stuff. I see most porn stars do that kind of things and that's something I wouldn't be interested in. So if I was to do porn it would be just regular stuff and sensual like I don't like too harsh of a intimacy. Yeah, so I don't like too harsh of an intimacy, yeah.

Kiki : 50:12

So I don't know if I would even be good at it if you have to have harsh things included, because I'm more of a sensual kind of girl.

Nosy Neighbor: 50:21

Now can a client, when they're in the negotiation with you, can they say this is like a one-in-a-lifetime dream to be with Kiki Lover. Can I film it? Is that something that's allowed or no?

Kiki : 50:33

yes, I do offer a recording, but there is an extra fee for that. But yes, I'm okay with being recorded. There's a lot of men out there with videos of me on their phone. Let's just say that now.

Nosy Neighbor: 50:48

Is that something you could use for your only fans?

Kiki : 50:51

no, I cannot because, uh, I would have. Of course, I will ask the permission, but, like I would have their id, uh, and their consent form, they have to sign a consent form and their id, which is too much. Uh, first of all, they they like their discussion, so they're not going to give me that information to send to OnlyFans, so I can't post it on OnlyFans. That's the thing.

Nosy Neighbor: 51:15

But when you have to get that, when you're doing a porn star, don't you have to get their information to post it on OnlyFans also?

Kiki : 51:22

No, so when he's like the couple guys that I collabed with, they already are on OnlyFans and verified their age for their page, so I can tag them, and that's good enough, as long as I tag them.

Nosy Neighbor: 51:38

Gotcha. No, yeah, I mean I can see Kiki doing more softcore stuff than I don't see the hardcore stuff, and so I don't know I am pro-Kiki softcore stuff. Then I don't see the the hardcore stuff and so I don't know I am pro kiki softcore porn, I guess, is what I'm saying, just because I think it it shows more insight into to you and so it's less sexual. Like watching the late the latest twitter stuff that you've posted some of your essential videos, I found those to be less sexually arousing and more comforting because they were sexual, but they weren't, it wasn't, it was. It gave me an insight to you and how you like your body to be treated, I guess because you're entertaining yourself to you, and how you like your body to be treated, I guess Because you're entertaining yourself.

Kiki : 52:33

Yeah, I mean yeah, thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed them. I'll make sure to post more. I want to tell your viewers my Twitter, kikiloverkink, so you guys go ahead and look me up.

Nosy Neighbor: 52:56

I will post links to your OnlyFans and Twitter and also to the Alien Ranch. I probably should wrap it up because I've taken up a lot of your time.

Kiki : 53:06

I wish you all the luck thank you so much for having me bye for now.