Nosy Neighbor: 0:12

My guest this episode is Karina Kaifova. She's an adult entertainer, exotic model, and courtesan at the Bellas Hacienda. Karina, thanks for joining us today.

Karina: 0:23

Hello, and I'm happy to be here.

Nosy Neighbor: 0:26

We've been talking for a little bit. It's nice to finally meet you. Tell us a little bit about your background growing up.

Karina: 0:32

I'll tell you the short version. So my family moved to the US in the late uh 90s. So I've been in the United States most of my life. I'm from Russia. And I guess, you know, just I grew up in an immigrant family, in a poor family. So, you know, um, from a very young age, uh I got into the adult, you know, industry. I started doing you know, some photo shoots and things, like, you know, where I took my clothes off, so I felt very comfortable in my own skin from a young age, and then I got into stripping, entertainment, adult entertainment. Kind of my main source of income from a very young age. The pandemic happened, and so I actually got into the escorting side of things, uh, literally right before the pandemic. So in 2019, uh, I actually did my first tour at the Kit Kat Ranch, and then everything shut down, literally. So during the pandemic is uh when I uh kind of ended up doing you know getting into the a little bit of softcore porn uh stuff, and you know, does that answer your question?

Nosy Neighbor: 1:49

It does. So started at the Kit Kat, and now you're at Bella's Hacienda. Tell us a little bit about what goes into choosing a location to work in.

Karina: 1:59

So I started I started at the Kit Kat and then I actually went to Bunny. Um so I worked at Bunny uh right after the pandemic. And then uh I went back to Kit Kat when they opened Kit Kat. So I went from Kit Kat to Bunny and then back to Kit Kat. Then the fire happened in 2023. And after the fire, I actually came straight to Bellas, but then I ended up leaving Bellas and going to Mustang last year, and now I'm back at Bella's. So my uh I guess experience tells me that I do better and I prefer working in smaller houses because Bella's is much more similar in ways to Kit Kat. And I would have never left Kit Kat had the fire not happened, you know. And so it's been it's a really good, cool chill house to work at. Bella is an amazing lady to work for, you know, and we have a nice group of girls here right now, and you know, I like it. So hopefully I'm here to stay for the you know, the next few years.

Nosy Neighbor: 3:06

And you don't live at Bella's, you choose to move in for a while and you set up a timeline that you're you're there. How does that work? Scheduling. I live on the beach, I live in Sunny Al's Beach. I have a beautiful apartment, like walking distance from the Atlantic Ocean, the warmest water I've ever spent actually. But Nobel is I I just do tours here, you know. So I come and go. Uh, I've done what three tours this year. I do this as my main source of income now, but I was still dancing for a long time. And I still kind of once in a while I'll go into the clubs, you know, and I'll and I'll still I'll still strip. I'll go to Vegas and I'll go to like Palm Beach, and I'll I usually don't dance, you know, where I live for obvious reasons, you know, we want privacy as entertainers. So what was it like though, going from more committed relationships or that you're accustomed to to now having a relationship based on financial and and doing it that way? Was there a big difference? Was there a a shock culture to you, or how how was that transition? It would be quite a shock to some people, probably that I do this, you know, now. But for me, I just I really like it, I enjoy it. I like doing this, you know, because I get to have multiple partners, it's fun, we get to explore, and so I guess my closest friends probably wouldn't be shocked because I was a stripper for a long time and like my family knows about this stripping. Do you know what I'm saying? Am I making friends? I think um, and because I did the photo shoots and stuff at a very young age, um, I got you know, these photographers they pay me money for me to take my clothes off, right? So I don't think that escorting is very different from stripping because at the end of the day, most gentlemen they come into the club and they want to take you home and have sex with you, you know. And I feel like this is more straight to the point because at the strip club, you're kind of like just leading them on and teasing them, and half the girls end up going home with the dudes anyway, you know. But in this industry, at least you know the the guy knows what he's getting himself into, you know that he's coming here to have sex, you know what I'm saying? The expectations are obvious, so it wasn't a difficult transition at all, but yeah, it wasn't, it was very natural actually for me. But the reason why I did it or I started doing it was mainly because you know, I needed the money, obviously, but also because I enjoy it, you know, and I continue to do it because I enjoy it. I am a lot of great men, you know, and a lot of interesting people in general, men and women, you know, and it's cool. It's cool, it's you know, experimenting with all different like fetishes and different, you know, different things that are you know that are in this industry. What have you discovered about yourself sexually? Has there been new things with clients that they say I want to try this? And you're like, wow, that's eye-opening. Is there new adventures that you discover about yourself or about certain kinks that you want to learn more about? So, yes, so I have a couple of girlfriends that are really big on the Dominatrix thing, and we actually have a couple girls in this house. We have a dominatrix room at Bella's, and that is something that I want to explore more, like the dominate the Dominatrix stuff. Do you know what I'm saying? Because I'm so I'm more like vanilla, you know, I'm more just like the classic girlfriend type. I like to kiss and cuddle, and I like doing the longer, you know, the quality time stuff versus like you know what I'm saying? Like the but the dominatrix thing is like, I don't know, a lot of these people they want to be hurt, you know, and you have to like inflict pain upon somebody and whatnot. And so I have a hard time doing that. I'm very softcore, I guess you could say, but I want to explore that side of things more. Bella's open the opportunity. Can you talk to one of the girls and say, Hey, can I have almost like a session with you to kind of get an understanding of what you do for your sessions? Is there that kind of like cross-training that you can to go to the girls, or does each girl do her own thing? Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, most of the girls, if you know, they're at least women supporting women, you know, we're all here, we all, you know, we're all a team. So I'm a Bella's beauty now, you know. I went from Kitty to Bunny, you know, back to Kitty. And then I don't really know what the Mustang girls call themselves, but we call ourselves Bella's beauty. So Bella's beauty's, you know, I'm on team Bella's now, you know, representing the hat. It's actually a great house to work at. Yeah, there's a couple girls that I've talked to about. I was like, can you can you give me some pointers and whatnot? And do you what do you do you know anything about the Dominatrix stuff? I've evolved over the years as I've gotten older. I think I'm a little bit more vanilla now than I used to be, but I can call back those other days where it's it's fun. I mean, you mentioned the physicality of it, it is physical, but it's also more mental. And I think that's a lot of people get it wrong because they've seen some porns where it just looks like the woman is being just abused and stuff like that, and there is a physical element, but it's a lot more of a mental physical element, and I think those lines can get blurred from just inflicting pain to inflict pain on a woman versus inflicting pain to find the pleasure in it, and I think that's what makes a good dominatrix is that you find the pleasure in the pain, not just pain to inflict pain. Right. So my whole thing is I don't like pain. I'm more I like, you know, I wouldn't be able to put up with it myself. So I think my mentality is where like, well, how do I do this for someone else? But and I've had a couple of experiences over the five years that I've been doing this of softcore things. But the person, you know, the client comes in and he asks you and he tells you this is what I want to do. I want you to put, you know, these nipple clamps on my nipples and stuff like that. I've done, I guess it's not really dominatrix, but we're talking about fetishes, right? I mean, I've done golden shower things. I don't, I mean, but I wouldn't do have it done to me, you know, but I would do to someone. And we, I think we you and I, you know, spoke prior to this, and we had discussed, you know, my some of my porn background, which I did have an agent for a little while, but I wasn't comfortable doing you know, the boy girl stuff. And I have done some fetish modeling, so specifically fetish my protocol says fetish model, specific things that were, you know, a client writes to you and he gives you an idea and he says, This is I have a fetish for snakes, so I want you to take, you know, something that looks like a snake, you know, and fuck yourself with it. So, like, I don't know if you've seen the Polish sausage one that I have. Whole idea with that was it was supposed to resemble a snake, and then and the a whole other subject would be um like food fetish, you know. So and that stuff is weird, and that's and not something that I would do, you know, in my daily life with my like if I was dating somebody or even like with clients at the brothel, I'm not gonna like although you know, I might I might take a banana and play with myself with the banana if the clients pay me for it in a brothel. But I but my point is it's exploring those different things, you know, and seeing what you're comfortable with, and and it's fun. Like, I mean, those videos look kind of I mean, they're not terrible, you know what I mean? They're not professional, they're you know, not mainstream or you know, high-end. Um, but my it's my experience, you know, it's fun and it makes me a little bit of money, and and it's you know, I do it more like now. I haven't even shot a video in several years, but I do it more as a hobby, as you know what I'm saying. Like I kind of want to make make a new one now. I just really don't have the time, you know, just come up with an idea and make a freaking porno video and post a new one. I've never understood the food fetish, kind of like you know, rubbing chocolate syrup all over yourself or whatnot. I mean, it's weird, you know. We're we're weird. I mean, there's I mean, it's a sex industry, and whatever, what is normal anyway? Like, if you think about it, I mean, I think that people we you learn to be very open-minded in this business, and you learn to accept different predators in their yeah, and then it's to somebody it's weird. Like, how can you take a banana and stick it in your vagina? Well, um, I got paid to do that, and it felt fucking good, you know what I mean? So, so I mean, it's what's the difference between a banana and a dildo? Um, there isn't one, really. No, but the banana turns someone on, and so that's what they're they're into. That was their thing, yeah. There's a client that you know, the gentleman that ordered that video. Um, that was pain, yeah. Back to the pain thing. The one thing I will say is I I I guess I wouldn't think of it as pain. Our brain processes things very differently, and people can see sex as being painful, there's elements of sex that can be painful, anal does not feel great to a lot of people, it's painful, but our brain processes it as enjoyment, and so just because you feel like you're inflicting some pain on people, their brain is wired a little bit differently, but they're processing it as an enjoyment. And I think if you can remove yourself from that, that you're there's a theory uh that orgasms are actually pain that when we orgasm, that it's actually pain, but our brains interpret it as pleasure. So the difference between pain and pleasure, right? There's a fine line between those two, I think. Someone has pleasure to someone else, yes. Yep. So, as far as you being nervous about inflicting that pain, just kind of tell yourself that this is to them pleasure. It to you, it might be pain, but to them it's pleasure. And I think if you can remove yourself from that and have that approach, it becomes much easier. In general, just in relationships and in the bedroom, I'm more I play the dominant role. Like I have a hard time submitting. Do you know what I'm saying? So that's why it suits me well, and that's why that's something that I want to explore more, you know, being the dom the dominatrix and having like my slaves. Like, I'm really good. I've done I do phone sex, I think you also know that. So I do like night flirt. So I have clients on there, you know, to call me on Skype and I do Skype shows, and a lot of that is dominating them. Do you know what I'm saying? Like doing guided, guided um, you know, hand jobs, telling them to jack off, telling them what to do, basically. And they're they become your kind of like your money slaves, you know, or your so, and then like I I think you've seen the um fighting videos that I've shot also, which were this was like five years, it was during the pandemic, and it's all about sexual domination. So, me as being more comfortable and more confident in the dominant role, I would make a good dominatrix, but again, the pain or the inflicting severe pain is where I'm having like the issue. Like, I can't beat somebody and make their ass, you know, blue. Not to get too much into your personal life, but do you have conventional relationships? Well, of course right now, honestly, I am my whole thing right now is I think I want to start exploring the swingers thing, like the swingers' clubs and things like that in Florida in Miami. They have some of the best um swingers clubs. So I have a hard time dating. I think most women do have a hard time dating in this industry, you know, because a again, whatever normal means, but the society standards and norms, a man is not going to put up with a woman fucks other men, right? But then I have these couples that come in, or I have this client the other day, actually, who has a wife and they are swingers. So she sleeps with other men and he sleeps with other women, and they're totally comfortable with that. So I think the right kind of partner for me might be someone who understands that lifestyle, it's a lifestyle at the end of the day. We I choose to live this, it's a lifestyle. I'm living this life. I choose to have multiple partners and I like it, I enjoy it. So I think a man who understands that and can be respectful to the woman in the line of work. Do you understand what I'm saying? In the line of work, and he can be like, hey, baby, let's go and hook up with another couple, you know, and it's fun. Um, just and having sex for fun, not just for money. That's kind of what I'm exploring right now. And I'm not seeing anybody, but I'm going to be, you know, I want to start attending these events that are happening, you know, where I live on the east coast, and maybe I'll meet some people, you know, maybe some friends that are in that life, that lifestyle, the swingers stuff. It's cool. You're uh Carly Beautiful woman, you're young, you're beautiful. How when you do have a relationship or you do meet up with someone that isn't a professional nature that isn't, you know, isn't a client. Is the sex different that way? Are you able to separate sex between a client and sex having an emotional connection? Does it all feel like work to you? Uh, how do you separate that and find enjoyment for yourself? So I think the best way I mean I enjoy it. Okay, do I orgasm every time and with every single client? No, but I enjoy it just even the act of just you know what I'm saying? So, my whole thing is I I want I like seeing them. So, I don't know if you've read my biography, but it says I'm hedonist. So, hedonist means I like pleasure, so I enjoy it even just watching him get off, you know what I'm saying? Watching my client be satisfied and walk out with a smell on his face. That kind of mentally gets me, you know, it makes me feel like I've done, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like I've done well, like I've done what I'm supposed to do. So as a provider or as a working girl, as a you know, legal luxury licensed courtesan, I like to give pleasure to my clients, and I enjoy giving it as much as receiving it, you know. And my favorite position is actually 69 for that exact reason because you are simultaneously, you know, giving and receiving, um, and so and that's the equivalent of you know giving and receiving pleasure. So, yeah, digging a little bit deeper because you have your own needs, and every time someone comes in, it's them requesting their needs. How do you find time to get what your needs are, or is giving the pleasure your it also depends on the gentleman, you know, it depends on the clients because there's some guys they come in and you know they're like all about me, me, me, me. This is what I want, you know, and so I'm a giver, so I give, but then there's those that basically demand that you freaking are satisfied too, so it really just depends, you know, it's on a case-to-case basis kind of thing, but I will tell you a little secret I cannot sleep every night before I go to bed. I have to masturbate, and yes, well, we're human, right? And I'm totally comfortable saying this because it's very healthy. Um, so well, maybe not every night, but those nights, like you said, where you need it, you know, you just get yourself off with your toys and whatever, and that's why I like doing the webcam stuff, and that as well, too, because that's about being a hedonist and getting the pleasure, the legit pleasure, right? When when a woman, a woman orgasms, she is then fully, you know, satisfied, right? And not all men, unfortunately, guys, not all men care. I mean, they're paying to get off, you know, at the end of the day. Do you have like a go-to toy? To have like a go-to toy. Well, I would say right now it is definitely my magic wand. Okay, so the magic wand was given to me by a client. I have a toy collection actually, and most of the toys that I have in my collection were given to me by someone. But I'm also some of them are you know old, so I'm also shopping right now, and I need to put a new gift list together for these guys, but I need to buy some if you have my own. But vibrators, like, I don't know if you know what I'm talking about. The magic ones, they're like huge, like it's like big egg at the end, yeah, and vibrators definitely do it, you know, for most women, and same same goes for like anal sex. I offer that too. But the only way that a female can really, you know, because we don't have a prostate, men do, so we cannot orgasm from you know having our asses penetrated. The vibrators really come in handy in those cases, you know. Yeah, one of the things I wanted to talk about is your look, you're a beautiful woman, and one of the things that striked me, and even with one of our other guests, like Kiki, is the lack of tattoos. Is that a conscious choice? Because so many women these days have tattoos, and you don't seem to have any that I've noticed. I don't want to hurt, you know, I don't want to be disrespectful to people who do have them. And I think some guys who have them is very, very hot, you know, very sexy. I was it's just the way that I was brought up, I was raised that way, you know, uh not to get them. And when I was younger, uh I wanted to model. I ended up doing, you know, fetish modeling and doing like nude modeling from the age I was like 18, but I wanted to be an actual model. And so, you know, you we were always taught, you know, that if you're modeling, you can't really have them, and that's just how it is. And then now I've actually thought about getting one to be honest, but I think it's kind of pointless, you know, it's pointless because now they're removing them, you know, there's lasers to remove them, and people I know people remove them. And if we're talking about health and things like that, you know, this is non-sexual at all right now. But if you have skin cancer, for example, and you have tattoos all over your body, they cannot check the skin underneath the tat for cancer. So that's another reason. And I'm um I'm a beauty school graduate, I have my estation license, so I'm in skincare, so that's another reason why I'm kind of like, well, what's the point? You know, because then if you get like cancer, you know, you won't know about it. I'm not a huge I don't mind tattoos, I think they're okay, but like seeing you naked is like seeing a Mona Lisa. Why would I paint something over those beautiful breasts of yours? It just doesn't make any sense to me. It's also like a type because there's a type. There's some men who love it, really don't give a shit if you have tattoos or not, you know. They just want she's gotta be blonde and have, you know, a certain color eyes or whatever. But then there's some men who prefer this. It's a type, they want the natural breasts, you know, the no tattoos. It's like it's a type, you know, the bare skin, it's definitely a type. And I think uh most of my regulars they like that, they like that I don't have them and it makes me my money. Most of your customers, are they repeat customers that you've built up? Are they how much of it is versus coming in to the hacienda to to doing a lineup to versus scheduling an appointment with you? So since I've been here, and so I I've been officially working for Bella since 2023, right? Since uh right after the fire happened, but like I said, I left for a little bit and went to Mustang. She it's incredible how much foot traffic she gets, you know. And I want to say I there are appointments, like I get appointments of like maybe a quarter of the clients that I book are appointments, but most of the gentlemen are walking. She gets a lot of foot traffic in this place. So if they walk in and they either ask for a specific lady, so they'll request me, right? Or they'll get the lineup and then you'll get pictures from the lineup, you know. Is is the lineup tough, or is that something you use this girl thick skin over? Because they're basically looking each girl up and down and going, nope, not her, nope, not her. I'll take her. Does that get frustrating? Haven't you? You had a lineup done, right? I have never been to a brothel. You haven't? No, I've driven by some. Um drove through Vegas. I saw a couple, I saw mostly empty ones, but so okay. Well, I guess I can find a little picture for you. So the gentlemen have the option to make an appointment. Okay. Just call in, right? They make an appointment, they have to do a deposit. Um, and I'm allowed to say this legally at Bellas, you know, they do a certain amount, right? That's required to book, but that money is going towards the party, right? And or they come in, just walking in, and all the girls that are working is a lineup. So this is a lineup house. Musting is not a lineup house, they're more of a bar hustle. So there's different houses work differently. Um and I did well at both, but I think I prefer the lineup houses. And so you walk in, they tell you, you know, we have eight women available. And at Bellas, they have a display, they have a picture of every girl that is working right now. And sometimes the gentleman will see the picture and he'll say, I want her, you know, or they'll bring everybody out and they'll sit you on the nice couch, and you will each lady introduces themselves. They say, Hi, my name is you know, Karina, or hi, my name is Happy. And then he says, Okay, I like Karina. And you know, and then I walk up to him and give him a tour of the place. So every gentleman that walks in gets a tour of the brothel, and Bella's has several VIP suits, and they're actually pretty good. She's done a really amazing job with this place. Like our rooms are pretty, pretty decent, you know, and then each lady has their own private room, so we can also party in the private room, and then Bella's also has a negotiation room to where, like at Bunny and stuff, you would be able to discuss the lady's price list with her in her own room. At Bella's, we have a negotiation room, so we have to go into the negotiation room and sit down and you know talk there. And then one other big thing, as some people don't know, is we dick check the gentleman. So a dick check is a mandatory state law requirement. Uh, so the man literally has to pull down his pants, show me his groin area, and I have to play nurse, you know, and we put on gloves and take, you know, take a little wipey, and we check, you know, the three main areas that we look at are the pubic area, the tip of the penis, and then underneath the balls. And I'm totally comfortable saying this. And yeah, and God forbid, you know, anything is out of the ordinary. I've never had experience this personally, but you know, we do have the right to refuse service if you know it's a rash or some sore or something. I've heard stories from other ladies, but it's never happened to me personally. I don't think guys are that stupid for the most part, you know. No SDs, you know, and that's the big positive thing, you know, about brothel's versus, you know, independent ladies is we are medically checked, we're clean. I've been doing this for five years, you know, never had an issue, and it's safe, it's safer. Yeah. Now, one of the things that I appreciate, I guess, uh, you cannot legally talk about any pricing or anything like that. You're it's forbidden, it can't happen. Is that a hindrance as well? Because someone like me, if I was to venture out to a brothel, I'd have no clue what would be insulting, I'd have no clue what would be way over the top. How are most men deep down in tune with what the pricing is, given the fact that you can't discuss it? I think common sense, word of mouth, you know, um, does the advertising for us? Bella does a really good job advertising. Um, so this house is actually going to be in a reality TV show. Our episode comes out in January, which is really cool. One of the ladies that works here, her name is M. Marie. She is on Love After Look Up. Have you heard of that reality show?

Karina: 30:09

Yeah.

Nosy Neighbor: 30:10

Oh, yeah. So she her Her um they filmed, she was on it for a couple seasons, but they filmed one of the episodes here at Bellas. I wasn't here unfortunately, but I'm still excited. It's very cool. The episode comes out in January. So it's like nationwide exposure. So there's, I guess, websites from what the clients tell me to answer to get back to the subject of pricing. I've made this pretty much the same amount of money at every house that I worked at. I can't say that I made you know made less here or more there, to be honest. We definitely get what they call bunny money in this house just as easily as anywhere else at any other house. You know, you have the higher clients, the whale ones, and then you have the regular and average yo guys. It's all about the comfort level of the lady, right? So it's my decision whether or not I want to book this person for less or more or whatever. Do you know what I'm saying? We're gonna defend a contractor, so we set our own price. You know, if if I you know, if I want to book the gentleman, I'll book them. If not, you know, I we can turn them down. We're not obligated to you know see a client if we don't want to. Has porn had a positive or negative impact on how men view your industry? The treatment of women is depicted very differently in porn. Coming to you, how do you prefer to be treated? How do I prefer to be treated? So my bio says that you know, I like a man who likes to give pleasure. So I'm a hate in this. I like the little sensations, like the feel of you know, nails on your skin, and I guess that's a little bit of some kind of pain, right? It's like sensory experiences. I'm very sensual, you know. So I like the guys that are gentlemen, you know, respectful, that are not demanding, not aggressive, not rough. I get that. I get that it's a big plus when somebody's well groomed, you know, shave your pubic area, boys. It's easier to give you a ball job when it's nice and smooth, right? It's respectful to the lady as well. If you're gonna see a provider, you know, come in freshly showered, non-stinky, stuff like that, you know. Um, we do have showers here, but it takes away from your experience if you come in, you know, unless you had like maybe you were on the road if it's a trucker or something and he really needs to shower. Yeah, but you know, the time starts as soon as we enter the room that we're booked in. If it's a suite or if it's my room, regardless, as soon as we enter the room, you know, the hour starts. And if you're taking a shower for that 10 minutes, then it means you only got 50 to play. So like gentlemen, classy, ought to be respectful, outdates are great, dinner, bring me food, you know. Oh, and that's another subject thing, actually, that I would like to just kind of uh talk about is that the southern brothels versus the northern brothel's the difference is in the northern brothel's you could do outdates, so that's why it's better. So Bellas Hacienda has its escorting license. So a gentleman can come in and take me out of the house. We can travel to Windover, which is about an hour away. There's great casinos there, restaurants, you know. We can even fly to Vegas if we want to, you know. So we can travel anywhere within the state of Nevada because Bellas Hacienda has its escorting license. But places, you know, down south, um, they can only do in-house dates. So that's the difference, too, between the, you know. Good to know. Now, you're at Bella's, you're having a great time now, but what does the future look like for you? What are some of your future goals and aspirations, maybe in the industry, not in the industry? What is what is it that you hope to see from yourself? So I I mean, it's not like anybody, you know, wakes up one day and says, I'm just gonna go and be, you know, um, for the lack of a better term, a prostitute, right? And we don't like that term. And Bella actually has petitioned this city. She was trying to get them to remove the term prostitute from our working cards, our sheriff cards. Say prostitutes, we don't know. We wanted to say courtesan, but I don't think she won the case, or I don't know what's happening with all that, but it still says freaking prostitute. But hey, it's kind of a cool word if you think about it, if you don't take it offensively, right? Back to it's not like you know, I woke up one day and decided to do this. I kind of just fell into it, you know. From I think most women that end up doing this, you know, there's a a certain lack of support. Maybe you don't have a boyfriend or husband to take care of you. Maybe you don't have a wealthy family, you know, you didn't come from money. And this does, I mean, I've accumulated wealth, you know, since I've been doing this, it's even in the five years that I've done it. And so I guess my goal is to continue accumulating wealth because this gives you that financial freedom, that comfortable life. You know, I live, I drive a beautiful car, I live in a beautiful apartment, I own real estate in a foreign country, you know, abroad in my home country. And I'd like to set myself up for retirement, you know, most because you know, you see these beautiful women and they're still doing this, you know, when they're already like retirement age. And A, they either you know just like it so much, I guess, and the money's still good, or B, you know, they're just bored, you know, or C, maybe they just can't afford to retire yet. And I'd like to be able to retire, you know, and at a certain age and stop and you know, not do this forever. But I think it's like a stepping stone, you know, to something bigger and better. And you know, I I'm I have you know, my beauty school background and something to fall back on, you know, was open my own business. I mean, you know, such as something with you know, skincare beauty, I can do even like eyelash extensions, you know, things like that. But again, of course, think about working a nine to five. What are you gonna make versus you know, two weeks at Bella's? You know, I walk out of here with a big fat paycheck. I mean, it's hard to go back to yeah, it's hard to. I mean, I'd probably be making like I don't know, two or three times, if not four times less than what I make here, you know. So there's a lot of negative connotation towards being a courtesan. There's a lot of negativity. People kind of assume that your you know lives are miserable, yet everyone I've talked to feels empowered. They are in control of their lives, they're in control of their sexuality. What advice would you give to someone that is thinking about becoming a courtesan? So we do have a couple of new girls in the house, and I'm always I like to be a role model and be supportive to the ladies. There's a lot of drama in this industry, which I'm sure you know or you've heard about probably, right? So I guess, well, as far as advice, it would just depend on the reasons they're doing this. You know what I'm saying? Like if you're doing it for the right reasons, then I advise I advise you to you know show up on time and be a Bella's beauty and hustle and save your money and invest it, and you know, because I've been able to, like I said, accumulate wealth over just the five years. I mean, I haven't been doing this as as long as probably half of those the girls are out there, but I've been successful and smart with investing. So don't, you know, a lot of girls they get a taste of that money and they start partying and just like you know, left and right, and this and then. So I travel international, I take luxury vacations, but at the same time, I have savings, you know, and it's growing. So you want to make sure that you grow your wealth and you are smart with your earnings, you know. Except, you know, of course, not every lady that walks in to an establishment like this, like you were saying, is doing it for the right reasons. I mean, there are there are some women that you know are not, you know, they don't have their head on in the right place. I don't I don't think every woman can succeed in this, to be completely honest with you. I don't think every lady has what is necessary. I think it takes a certain type of you know mentality and a certain type of individual that you know to actually be able to make this a career, to be honest. I think a lot of it goes, I mean, we talked about swinging earlier. I think there has to be for swinging or for this, there has to be aspects of your brain that you have to turn off because there's so much conventional thinking of how we enter relationships, how we do sex that we're programmed to and bombarded with by culture that I think there has to be some turning off of some of those emotions to be able to, you know, be a swinger, to to do a courtesan to and that kind of thing that's important. Right. So I honestly I was never that type of girl. I was always the girl that you know wanted a fairy tale. Like I we all dream of like, you know, the Julia Robertson pretty woman, happy ending, where the you know, Prince Charming, Richard Gere comes and saves you from your tower. But I think from just doing being in this industry for so long, even as a stripper, you know, it's all the same. It's the sex industry, it's the adult entertainment industry. You just one day realize that that's not possible. You know, it's not possible. It's very rare that it happens. Maybe it has happened, but so my mentality has changed, and now it is to it's where like I think that that I need a man that can accept what I do versus take me out of it. You know what I'm saying? Like a man that would he fucking enjoys the fact that I fucked a bunch of men and he gets off on that, you know what I'm saying? Versus someone to take me out of the brothel, you know, that'd be like buy you out and save you and be like, baby, you don't have to work anymore. I mean, yeah, that's the dream life, but it's hard, it's hard, you know, it's not easy. Final question again, thank you so much for coming on. I've enjoyed sincerely talking to you off camera and getting to know you as a person. Final question is so much of what you do is perceive perfection. Uh, every photo that you post is carefully choreographed. Everything that you do is do you ever kind of miss not having to advert because you're you're advertising yourself, you're advertising you know, yourself, you're advertising Bellas. Everything has to be choreographed. Do you ever just miss posting a photo of you in sweatpants and a t-shirt, going to the grocery store, complaining about food prices? Or did you know because you're always advertising yourself, and you in many ways have become an advertisement for yourself or you know, the the the courtesanship. Do you ever just miss being you in kind of your social media and just posting how your day was? Well, I think that to be completely honest with you, I haven't done this much advertising as I am doing now until recently. And I'm gonna take you up on that idea. I think that's actually kind of it's actually motivating me. I think I wanna maybe this a good idea that I maybe do post just like a regular kind of pick. It's actually funny because there's a lady that works in this house, and if you look at her Instagram, she has selfies of her and sweatpants on, and guys want to see in regular clothes. I've been told that actually. I've been told that they want to see me in regular clothes, and so maybe I will start doing that actually. And I do miss that, you're right. Instead of just you know, constantly always looking like freaking Barbie or having your makeup on and lingerie, like if you look at my pictures, actually, most of my pictures are you know, they're with my tits out, and I think maybe guys want to see that just the regular girl next door, you know, in a sundress or you know, flip-flops and shorts or whatever. And for the record, for anyone that's listening to this episode yelling at the at the radio or the computer, I'm not suggesting less tits out. Uh, because she has great tits, great ass. I'm not suggesting less of that. I just was wondering if it gets frustrating that you feel compelled that that's all you have to do, versus because you can never post it. You're having a bad day where you just feel like move, you know, I I I feel lazy today. I will let you go. I have a feeling that I'll have you on someday again. I enjoyed talking to you, and I hope we can continue to talk off camera. But uh, thank you for so much for coming on. And again, Karina at uh Bella's, check it out. I'll include all the links that you want me to that uh take you to your stuff. Check her out, she's beautiful, great ass, great tits. But also check out some of her stuff and uh support her and go visit her. All right, babe. Thank you for your time.